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there's no place to escape to this is

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the last podcast on the left that's from

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the cannibalism started hey welcome

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everybody the last podcast on the left

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with Henry Zebrowski Marcus Parks I'm

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Ben Kissel we have a very special

00:23

episode today Henry this is going to be

00:25

a special learning episode you're going

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to learn for fuck's sake put the booze

00:30

down stop smoking weed for a god yo

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second Henry that's our audience that's

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what they do just listen you don't want

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to listen and learn from this man all

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right they've got it all right ladies

00:44

and gentlemen welcome Jeremy vanie to

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the studio Jeremy thank you so much for

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being here man uh can they smell this

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audio no no no no no all right we're

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done with this we let me just so many

00:55

listeners and they can smell with this

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room smell like well we might have lost

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them before but we would certainly have

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lost them now ladies and gentleman we're

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starting a little bit later than usual

01:05

Jerry was kind enough to wait what are

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you got here about 45 minutes ago right

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Henry yeah absolutely just before the

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podcast starts Henry says oh my pork

01:15

burritos are here my poor little tacos

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are here thing and literally you guys

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know we record in a small scrotum so you

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don't they go to our room they know cuz

01:24

we talk about in every episode yet I am

01:26

a member of and Henry is brought it in

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and now it officially smells like the

01:31

taint of a barback who has been working

01:33

for 18 hours who just got home and

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realizes uh holy Lord this is why

01:38

everyone looked at me terrible on the

01:40

subway this is them you if you want to

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do good radio right when takes is and he

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literally eats it more disgusting than

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it sounds no I'm just saying it just

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takes poke we have a guest Henry I

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didn't fight I didn't take that last

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bite I put it in my mouth and I took it

01:58

out I would hardly call what I'm going

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to contribute to the conversation guest

02:02

work bullshit so um Jeremy vanie today

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we're gonna be discussing uh the

02:08

wonderful world of alien abductions the

02:10

whole the whole sphere of the outer

02:12

universe and it's a

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fascinating fascinating subject it's

02:15

really in there just in we'll talk about

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a lot on the show too so there's just so

02:19

much bullshit out there about what alien

02:22

abduction experiences are like they're

02:24

people kind of twist the information for

02:26

their various needs in terms of like

02:28

entertainment or needing some sort of

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validation and speaking of twisted

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entertainment Jeremy has two two books

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one I know why the aliens don't land

02:38

probably because they smell this studio

02:41

is that going to be a that'll be a

02:43

another edition to appendix today

02:46

another book called urgency yes and a

02:49

fantastic DVD called no one's watching

02:52

an alien up deked abductees story and

02:55

you run a podcast and it's called it's

02:59

called perito Pia cook right ha ha ha ha

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ha have you ever been in such an

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unprofessional situation when I wasn't

03:11

worse marlon brando when he was an actor

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when he was alive would he eat ice cream

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instead of perform you know he went rich

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and he was a genius he was fat you know

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what smells worse this room where the

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alien spacecraft you were sucked up tin

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right now in the room yeah good so good

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I'm happy that you feel not quite at

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home the room yeah can we stick it

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that's wet so I guess that we should

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just begin at the situation of alien

03:41

contact yeah when it when did it happen

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or what would you like to start with

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Jimmy what's uh what's what's the thing

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you will I will show her that I mean you

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know when was the first I don't know

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that the first time that I sort of

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recognized this in my life was in eighth

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grade from Massachusetts originally

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going Vermont who kissed no Baggies note

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that 8th grade interesting I was also

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abducted by my hand

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when was your penis yeah your penis was

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never the same

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it was said so you're in eighth grade in

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Massachusetts woman yeah going to

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Vermont and somewhere along the Vermont

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New Hampshire border in the middle of

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the night in the middle of nowhere the

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stereotypical nonsense it's me my mother

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and my sister going for Graham

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parents and my mother sees it first off

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to the left between some mountains is

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like the worst toy looking spacecraft

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you could ever imagine if I took a

04:39

picture every be like now it's like like

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like like cartoon looking like Brad you

04:44

looked laughing you're like oh I didn't

04:45

know there was an Ed Wood film being

04:46

made well I like that ya know cuz I was

04:48

ninth grade I wasn't that smart so I

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actually thought oh that's is that the

04:52

sick cosign like from Boston yeah that

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was the only thing I had to compare it

04:56

to but it was fluorescent or self

04:58

luminescent green had porthole windows

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running down the center the top half is

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spinning one way the bottom half is

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spinning the other and it's just it's

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got red blue blinking lights is just

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like tilted on its axis doing that just

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in the air just spinning like this

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showboating like breakdancing it was the

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bad ship could breakdance like look at

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me look at me you know I might as well

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be blinking at you and um so you know we

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my mom says said later she didn't wanna

05:22

she knows what happens when you stop so

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she decided to keep going my mother

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would have stopped and just enjoyed

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shooting I'm losing light on here mom

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that is not an alien that is obviously a

05:32

mobile sign Jesus was going to come back

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in his own plane but you know so we get

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to the grandparents house and we think

05:40

they're going to make fun of us hold

05:43

conservative folk and it's the opposite

05:45

it's they've got timeless mystery the

05:47

unexplained on the coffee table and our

05:49

uncle who's seen a UFO and now he's

05:50

looking into it in blah blah so is like

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saw this thing and then had this other

05:54

synchronistic situation and to my little

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pea-brain eighth grade mind uh that felt

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like like boom i was like taking out of

06:02

my life you know is like like now there

06:03

are puppet-masters or so that was weird

06:05

there's a weird feel your that's one

06:07

thing in reading about a hero that

06:09

people have like sort of a lifelong

06:11

involvement in it like people have that

06:13

sort of synchronicity happen their whole

06:15

lives will they'll see a sizeable see a

06:17

UFO and then get abducted by one like

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they were chosen for like a long time

06:22

ago right does that feel like a similar

06:24

of course with the ghost hauntings and

06:26

things of that nature and demon

06:27

hauntings as well yeah no I've come to a

06:29

different understanding I mean it the

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good thing about like coming to terms

06:32

with this stuff as I did I guess in high

06:34

school and in college is I got a little

06:36

robot setup going on in high school

06:39

an alien I want Amy I want to touch

06:41

Amy's tits but I got aliens coming into

06:44

my room at night it's very true uh

06:47

thankfully that probably wasn't gonna go

06:49

that way anyway yeah well we got some

06:52

action so uh but no so so the point is

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you know all that stuff about sort of

06:59

you know area 51 or I feel special I

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feel chose you know disclosure

07:03

disclosure disclosure you know these

07:04

sorts of like myths that surround this

07:06

thing and these sort of belief systems I

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kind of got that out of my system early

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and now I don't even think it's aliens

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like I don't even know what it is but I

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think all bad on golden no no but uh all

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the paranormal stuff is is

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interconnected and so it's only in our

07:23

own sort of like mental processing it's

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like it's the way our brains work where

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it's like almost like a grand

07:28

hallucination no no it's like well for

07:31

instance I do uh I have a podcast called

07:34

perito Pia right so we just interviewed

07:36

this woman who saw puck wedgie anyone

07:39

know - puck wedgie is oh no it's this

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mythical creature of Indian lore

07:44

basically like a little sort of troll I

07:47

know Marcus has seen a troll yeah well

07:50

goblin I'm sorry I'm sorry I was going

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so it's her and her friends and their

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something Cobb they they're driving

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along they have the intent of like it

07:59

Halloween or something going up on the

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hill and finding the the hermit there's

08:03

like the legend of some hermit you know

08:05

in town or whatever they drive past

08:07

where the hermit is supposed to be the

08:09

car stalls this puck wuji this little

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hairy troll person comes out of a

08:14

cornfield looks at them directly now and

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then scurries off and then the car

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starts up again and they keep going so

08:21

here do we think about he's like jerking

08:24

off he cannot escape it yeah he's like

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as she said you know he's just seemed

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like he you know go away kind of kind of

08:31

look on his face and that's it but here

08:32

you have like the car stalling and

08:35

starting up again which is typical of a

08:36

UFO sighting yeah and you've got the

08:38

power of intention which is we really

08:39

want to see of course I wanted to see

08:42

this hermit which we didn't see but now

08:44

you're going else yeah so you've

08:46

definitely you know in this puck wedge

08:47

you could have come out at any point you

08:49

didn't need to come out make a showboat

08:51

just like that UFO in the sky you didn't

08:52

showboat and say you know look at me so

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to give his time to shine yeah it's what

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to get back to your original question

08:59

like the why me thing sort of the thing

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that more my partner Jeff Richmond says

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and I agree with is that maybe this

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thing casts a fishing line at a young

09:08

age and whoever tugs on it uh you know

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gets roped in so not so everyone has had

09:15

a paranormal experiences whether or not

09:16

they interpret it that way or they

09:18

ignore it or whatever absolutely I

09:20

totally agree I mean was there some was

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there a specific moment in high school

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or an eighth grade that you can remember

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that really like tugged on you I don't

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think that I had a paranoia I mean I

09:30

don't I am oh yeah several million I

09:34

think I think if you could count the

09:36

number of times I masturbated and um you

09:38

get a prize well I want to shoot the

09:42

prizes to never have to think of you

09:44

masturbating again so is there is there

09:46

a specific moment though where you're

09:48

like I think this is uh something

09:49

supernatural and uh an alien or what was

09:51

the what was your first thoughts when

09:53

you when you realize what you were

09:54

saying and experiencing um yeah well I

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would say that eighth grade thing was

09:59

definitely the anchor because then there

10:01

uh was did you ever go in like to a

10:03

denial phase was they just confusion

10:05

we're just like that's an alien I know

10:07

an alien when I saw on and that's odd I

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wasn't like oh that's an alien when I

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first saw I was like what is that is

10:12

that a like I said that the Citgo sign

10:14

is that some sort of billboard like what

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is that it just it slowly dawned on me

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and I was like oh my god

10:19

and then dawn on you after another

10:21

experience where yeah yeah okay did you

10:24

have it you had a physical experience to

10:25

write were they do you got actually got

10:28

abducted naked yeah Bob um with that

10:32

when did that happen yeah well I had a

10:35

bunch of uh sort of you know experiences

10:39

that you could interpret a number of

10:41

ways right and yet until October 2001

10:45

and then that's when I actually got them

10:47

it was like okay this yeah so what was

10:49

yeah I want to talk about those early

10:50

ones before the abduction because I

10:52

think that's fascinating to see you know

10:54

maybe it's like when you you know go

10:56

fishing for a carp it's like when you

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first get it on the line you gotta be

10:59

kind of gentle and let it go a little

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bit pretend like oh no you're gonna be

11:03

fine I'm not gonna eat yeah yeah

11:04

I'll never forget you have you'll see

11:06

your kids again and just go higher than

11:07

the rock but then of course you and then

11:10

it gets comfortable and then you tug it

11:12

up and you got a dinner for Henry for

11:14

about a minute like Henry just eats the

11:16

fish as soon as you get onto the column

11:19

like a cartoon up that's where I just

11:21

walk on it neat I did all I do is pull

11:23

out the skeleton exactly it's a real

11:25

Heathcliff cat so what was the what were

11:27

some of the steps leading up to the

11:28

abduction that really sort of struck you

11:30

and made sense in hindsight maybe well I

11:32

don't know if there were steps leading

11:34

up to the abduction I think that there

11:36

were a bunch of abduction type scenarios

11:37

and then even looking like after sort of

11:40

piecing this together and going making a

11:41

pattern out of it and going okay what is

11:43

this then I'd ask you know relatives

11:45

anything anything in your lives so

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arguably my first experience was

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actually when I was three years old

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it's just I don't remember my dad

11:53

remembers it and I'll tell you that

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story after these messages

11:57

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12:18

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12:20

Tom that's total so you were three years

12:21

old three years old a ripe young three

12:25

and my dad remembers waking up in the

12:29

middle a night just feeling as though

12:30

there were somebody in the house and and

12:32

then he hears me yelling from my bedroom

12:34

he goes running in and he said it was

12:37

like I was sort of half asleep but like

12:40

either sitting up or standing up and

12:42

pointing at a corner of the ceiling and

12:43

yelling daddy make it go away make it go

12:45

away

12:45

oh that's terrifying yeah and then he

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said he felt somebody move behind him

12:50

and he turned around there's nothing

12:51

there and then he felt like whatever it

12:53

was the Prowler in the house whatever

12:54

had gone and that was it and as soon as

12:56

he felt that I like lay back down asleep

12:58

and he just stayed with me to make sure

13:00

I was okay yeah terrified crushing up on

13:03

a chair like a cat with his like hair

13:05

sticking over the back of his neck

13:07

fascinating oh my old man you pregnant I

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don't know I just ride a beta picture uh

13:15

got it you got to think about that your

13:17

dad was probably like how old was he at

13:19

this point but how like in his like

13:22

early 20s yeah yeah I mean like 23 24

13:24

yeah can you imagine like I mean still

13:26

that would 10:28 I would still terrify

13:28

me now yeah fine whereas 23 years old if

13:30

I just saw that I mean I would have a

13:32

doobie in my mouth and I'm he like oh

13:34

I'll see you too son I see you too don't

13:38

worry kid you smoke and you buy the

13:39

ticket you take the ride so I got some

13:44

chicks out there dude you're ruining it

13:46

for me that's not what I'm that's not

13:48

what my 23-year old existence was like

13:50

at all it wasn't so that was the first

13:52

experience you were three year old three

13:53

years old and so so and then the next

13:57

one wasn't until you saw the alien

13:59

spacecraft while you were on an eighth

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grade

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yeah I don't know it gave you some time

14:03

off the camp time off or I just over

14:06

maybe were just so unlikable the aliens

14:08

respond I like way too easy for a while

14:11

yeah he was a cute baby you know I

14:13

thought what was the name of the child

14:14

who got stolen uh the Lindbergh baby

14:17

yeah Elliot Lindbergh like appeal and

14:19

then you uh you grew up and they're like

14:21

we're gonna give him some time so you

14:23

had eight grade and then was it in

14:26

freshman sophomore year of high school

14:27

we started to feel other contact uh I

14:30

think it was I think it was junior year

14:33

okay sophomore dream I was 15 years old

14:35

that much I remember Oh junior year 15 I

14:39

was a freshman I was 15 a little slower

14:41

than you maybe I was yeah too dumb to be

14:46

abducted I think yeah yeah you be you

14:50

yeah you'd be you look like bait hmm

14:52

it's now right so you were 15 a

14:54

brilliant junior getting all the

14:56

poontang a boy could ever want to keep

14:58

going you were handsome strapping the

15:01

teachers teachers were like man you're

15:03

so smart but you're also not a nerd so

15:06

it's like weird that you I liked you

15:07

everybody likes you it's good then

15:09

you're also brilliant in your future is

15:11

so bright and then I mean if it's

15:14

amazing that we here on earth get to

15:16

know you if there's anything out there

15:18

you would think they would want to know

15:20

you too you know something like that

15:25

that was basically olive high school

15:27

from within

15:28

good good so one fine night at the ripe

15:32

young age of 15 something walked into my

15:36

bedroom I loved it cue comedians so

15:50

anyway it's gonna rain

15:51

um so something walks into room you're

15:54 15 years old it's not your mother's not 15:55

your father uh at this point I'm parents

15:57

are divorced so it's definitely not my

15:59

father

15:59

yeah my mother is the only one there my

16:01

sister is often college so that's what

16:03

we called you for the sex isn't actually

16:05

about aliens this is about divorce how I

16:10

Co people okay so uh so yeah so you know

16:15

for some reason I started waking up

16:17

around 3:30 well on the dot 3:30 in the

16:20

morning pretty much every morning for no

16:22

known reason and then one fine 3:30 in

16:25

the morning I'm woken up by my door

16:27

opening and it makes us sound so it's

16:29

very specific and that sort of jolts me

16:31

awake and a shadow person carrying some

16:36

sort of long pointy thing that I thought

16:39

in my 15 year old had sword

16:41

yeah walked in and was babbling at me I

16:44

could see its head bobbing around and I

16:45

could hear it and I just sat up in bed

16:47

and just said ma what are you doing go

16:50

back to sleep and immediately thought

16:51

this isn't your mother you know what

16:53

this is and I was just for whatever this

16:55

means you know it's got the chills which

16:57

feels great in this hot-ass room keep on

16:59

telling me scary things so I can cool

17:01

off yeah

17:02

so I was completely horrified and just

17:05

you know fight-or-flight instinct kicked

17:07

in and I decided to fly I pulled the

17:08

covers over my head that's all I

17:09

remember that um and interestingly just

17:12

it never even dawned on me in all these

17:14

years to think you know why is it that

17:17

the abductees uh they always like you

17:19

know we are always like okay this

17:21

terrifying thing happened and then the

17:23

next morning it's like how do you go to

17:25

sleep after that yeah like how is your

17:27

body capable they like going to sleep

17:30

after seeing it do you remember what it

17:31

what it looked like no I don't remember

17:34

what it's just like that it's like a

17:35

short like shape but it was you too dark

17:37

and it was too dark in the room

17:38

yeah I'm interested in the babbling like

17:40

what what did it sound like I don't know

17:43

it was just yeah II give it a guess but

17:46

I got it was it like that it was a lot

17:49

like that weird it was maybe too much

17:51

like that's not me interesting it was so

17:54

next morning I asked my mom what did you

17:56

come into my room and of course the

17:57

answer is no so did you know the aliens

18:00

I let in the house came in so with this

18:03

so called sword object did he do

18:05

anything to you with that or that was

18:07

just more you just left after you put

18:09

the sheets over your head I don't know

18:11

that's all that's that's it that little

18:12

unsatisfying tidbit of memories all I

18:14

have

18:15

that's fat and perhaps it was a

18:17

wonderfully romantic evening and as I

18:20

have with most of the ladies that I am

18:22

in kind with I always erase their

18:25

memories I also I wonder too you know I

18:27

know this is like I don't know a bit in

18:30

sort of the way you were describing like

18:32

paranormal like at sort of phenomena I

18:34

know that I've had psychedelic

18:37

experiences which is like and where I

18:39

have been it feels like I was visited

18:42

and this is sort of like I'm talking

18:44

about like tripping balls where I

18:46

mushrooms on mushrooms right thank you

18:49

kisses while I was in college um I don't

18:52

have them anymore police uh but I

18:54

remember have being approached by what

18:57

seemed to be some sort of other sort of

18:59

like personality like in not like of my

19:01

own brain that was if it was technically

19:03

alien to me and sort of like led me

19:05

through a sort of like speech upon like

19:08

the nature of reality which i think is

19:10

kind of a common thing that people when

19:12

when you when something that happens

19:15

like especially in like sort of

19:17

hallucinogenic experience where it's

19:18

like that's a common trope we have like

19:21

a guy do you think that's something that

19:22

that sounds like that words like are

19:24

they getting you acclimated whatever it

19:26

is or it's like your own brain gets you

19:29

acclimated to like oh you know I mean

19:31

the only time I've ever I heard that

19:33

babble one more time uh in high school

19:36

yeah and then not again after that and

19:39

then I would hear this female speaking

19:42

English so yeah how many experiences did

19:45

you have in total I mean just in looking

19:47

back I know that sigh it's like a

19:48

morphus so it's like

19:51

let's see how many total before the

19:54

actual abduction before before what

19:58

before that yeah I don't know it's hard

20:02

to say because between I mean the weird

20:05

thing to me is between eighth grade and

20:06

then I started having these sort of

20:08

there was a first time I remember having

20:09

first-person dreams and they're like

20:10

first-person bits of flashback yeah uh

20:13

so I don't know if to include those I

20:16

mean if I go include those then I would

20:18

say none and you feel that and then uh

20:21

there were maybe three more incidents in

20:24

high school when did the actual when did

20:26

the actual abduction take place like um

20:32

what I mean I said we need the actual

20:35

because you said that it wasn't there

20:36

was like a culminating event or is that

20:38

the ballet no I mean I had a bunch of

20:40

like I said just odd things UFO

20:43

sightings and yeah things like this that

20:45

what I guess when saying is you know I

20:47

could always say to myself well maybe

20:49

I'm putting these things together

20:51

because I definitely saw that thing in

20:53

eighth grade like they're getting around

20:54

a brush I mean yeah you saw that and

20:56

that that thing was there and so it am i

20:59

tricking myself my delusional

21:01

essentially I know what you're sent to

21:02

in eighth grade I was very fat and I

21:04

felt like in deep another demon an angel

21:06

actually uh came to be an item dead

21:08

serious and it was really really

21:09

powerful and then that summer ended up

21:11

losing a hundred pounds and I always

21:13

kept that with me and they always let me

21:15

just say it was like you're I was like I

21:16

want to lose weight and I felt like this

21:18

really big president's been like you're

21:19

gonna be fine you can lose weight you

21:20

can do all this stuff and it was a

21:21

really nice calming feeling that I never

21:23

had before because my family life was

21:25

terrible and and I feel like they always

21:28

correlate something with like puberty

21:29

and and those sorts of experiences do

21:32

you think that that had anything to do

21:33

with it as far as just like do well and

21:36

in a way I mean uh when you need the

21:39

aliens most in other words I feel like

21:40

that's when they reach out to you when

21:42

you're in eighth grade and you're

21:43

miserable like nobody likes me yeah yeah

21:45

bodies I mean here comes the learning

21:47

part yes yeah the program a man named

21:50

George Hanson who has written about a

21:53

trickster theory which we have put to

21:55

the test and it turns out just is always

21:57

true which is that paranormal events UFO

22:00

events all types of Bigfoot all of these

22:02

things

22:03

tend to happen a to marginal people

22:05

which I fit the bill and be down times

22:09

of anti structure so whatever your

22:11

normal in anti structure whatever your

22:13

normal routine is if you're moving if

22:16

you're getting divorced if you're going

22:18

through puberty whatever it is you know

22:19

that would be anti structural be anti

22:21

your normal sense of flow so when you're

22:24

when you find yourself out of your

22:26

normal sense of flow uh it's as if you

22:29

know that jostles something and the

22:31

greater environment you normally don't

22:32

see comes alive and and yet good example

22:35

of a medieval whore

22:37

yeah we talked about that turd like

22:39

poltergeist activity in hauntings is

22:42

like it kind of implies that's really

22:44

interesting like it's it's it's

22:46

something about how like the universe

22:48

kind of floods in when there's

22:50

incivility and so what is the reason for

22:53

that uh well I I put it together with

22:56

what I learned from a friend jokes and

22:58

ghost horse who's a Lakota speaker who

23:00

says Indians don't get abducted which I

23:04

like yes good when did you say his last

23:08

name was ghost horse yes Wow that's a

23:11

good last name that is great name yeah

23:12

uh but he with in part his first name is

23:15

long face long face ghost horse you know

23:18

well he talks about the Lakota think you

23:20

know they see the world as metaphors

23:23

with in metaphors they don't really see

23:25

linear you know sort of structured you

23:28

know mindset the way through that lens

23:31

the way we do and I think I think

23:33

through um well first Christianity and

23:36

then materialist science I think you

23:38

know the Western mind has blinders that

23:40

is completely natural to people who live

23:43

naturally you know yeah so I think

23:45

people live naturally have a completely

23:47

different relationship with this because

23:49

their different leadership with their

23:50

environment so I really think it's just

23:51

white man you know and white world

23:54

people perhaps in general uh yet cuz

23:56

they don't treated it's like it's almost

23:58

like refreshing it's like a repression

23:59

yeah but the OB treat that they'd like

24:01

we were saying like sort of the greater

24:03

universe as not a big deal it's as a

24:05

matter of fact is a part of their life

24:06

so it's like it's not this unknown

24:09

mystery never time you see a phenomena

24:11

like that it's not that person

24:13

simple mystery like there's no there's

24:15

no fear it's not like oh my god this is

24:17

out to kill us we've got to go to war

24:18

against alien you know it's none of that

24:19

stuff it's like accepted its you know

24:22

yeah that we our forefathers are around

24:25

us all the time so it's so much a

24:26

mystery is more as it's more of an

24:28

interest if they would see an alien like

24:30

I'm just interested in what that is like

24:31

well there's our star brothers and

24:32

sisters you know it's like what Opie has

24:34

corn on that space disc I hope he

24:37

doesn't so we can sell himself I think

24:39

we've got to make some money or doing

24:41

something along the way we we you know

24:42

got so wrapped up in killing off um you

24:46

know witches in and occult stuff and all

24:50

that that is illegal to practice that I

24:53

mean I think I think we lost something

24:55

in there I mean I think part of that is

24:57

you know great let's get rid of the

24:58

superstitious stuff but I think we lost

25:00

something real there as well I think

25:02

that real thing comes knocking on the

25:04

door when your sense of normalcy gets

25:06

jostled here the effort of the witches

25:08

but they kept the bloodletting so they

25:10

were a little bit off still happening

25:11

yeah um that is really that's a great

25:15

that's a great waiting this makes me

25:17

think of ancient aliens who's been

25:18

watching fucking show so much recently

25:20

and there was um was in the tribe in

25:23

South America that like talks about the

25:25

the the grant the fact that their

25:27

pyramids really helped it like sort of

25:29

like as sort of geological maps are for

25:32

alien life form in which that you know

25:35

that we come from them and that we were

25:37

made by an alien race in order to either

25:40

work for them or as a sort of like they

25:43

were putting themselves here and there

25:45

was like all those various theories of

25:46

like they're us but from the future he

25:50

whoa I still love him her this is your

25:56

insensitive so what was the so what was

25:58

the big culminating that when did you

25:59

see big comedy moment was October 2001

26:03

uh my moment of auntie stretch nearly

26:05

the anniversary yes um I I had yeah it

26:11

is yeah it's weird I had a girlfriend at

26:14

the time which that's also we comedians

26:16

yes shut up uh and we were like with

26:22

this is an Astoria and we

26:24

relying on a floor on a mattress on the

26:26

floor and have a bed quit yet well let's

26:28

see why she love you

26:30

he's very romantic he doesn't have

26:32

electricity it's all candlelight yes

26:34

Louella bastok so this happened here in

26:36

the city yes and in the middle of night

26:40

um I bright light comes flooding in the

26:44

window and I sort of climb over her to

26:47

pull the shades back and see what the

26:49

hell this is

26:50

and I mean there's this sort of diffuse

26:52

bright white light and it's not waking

26:55

her up I can't see what the sources but

26:56

not a Polish deli that just opened up

26:58

across the street no no I'm actually

27:00

down it like you have to walk down some

27:03

stairs so I'm in like this little pseudo

27:05

alleyway that's so really no lights no

27:09

unnatural life no uh so it's not waking

27:13

her up I don't care I decide I'll you

27:15

know roll back over go to sleep I roll

27:16

over and there are three little gray

27:19

guys in tunics yeah uh standing there

27:22

just hovering and now like I just

27:25

immediately go into animalistic fear

27:27

like it's as if you know what let's

27:30

let's be the you know a writer here for

27:32

a second it is as if you know you have a

27:34

soul and they could eat it if they want

27:36

to yeah like that's the only way I can

27:38

describe the Terek it's not like I mean

27:40

I've been in a fire I've been in life in

27:41

death situations and this is like beyond

27:45

that this is like how do I seen

27:47

something you're you not expecting to

27:49

expecting to see at all well you know

27:52

what I think it's more than that because

27:53

the more I think about this experience

27:55

like well I mean what happened in it you

27:58

know immediately there is they're

27:59

standing there and sort of smiling or

28:01

whatever but like with this childlike

28:04

naivete now-now-now like closed mouth I

28:07

mean okay but there's nothing hostile

28:10

going on

28:11

yeah the fear reaction isn't you know

28:14

the structure gear the unknown it's like

28:17

an ear dry well I think there's

28:18

something about the clash of of whatever

28:20

happens here that where fear is like a

28:22

necessary barrier or something almost

28:24

fit I mean because I feel like it's it's

28:26

in a way I mean it's any structural it's

28:29

the end of your sense of self your sense

28:31

of normalcy yeah I immediately taken

28:33

away yeah you're not meeting them like

28:35

like what

28:36

Side Story the Sharks and you don't know

28:38

that Shane being a club we uh yeah but

28:40

it's also kind of the same reaction I

28:41

imagine when black people versus all

28:44

white people when white people showed up

28:45

and it's just like phone mom a couple

28:50

over media were just like don't let them

28:52

off the boat destroy them so you're

28:56

maybe I understand it so yes so you know

29:00

you're in this alley facing these three

29:01

green in the alley yes I'm in an alley

29:03

I'm in my bedroom good facing these

29:06

beings whatever and the next thing I

29:09

know and there's no transition it's just

29:11

the next thing I know I'm standing I'm

29:13

in my underwear as I went to bed and I'm

29:14

standing in this nondescript room with

29:17

that's completely black but that same

29:19

diffuse light is in this room it's sort

29:22

of shining down from somewhere above and

29:26

in front of me uh is a row of tables

29:28

with humans on them naked a seemingly

29:31

passed out mm-hmm and the one closest to

29:34

me is a blonde woman maybe you know I

29:37

don't know like early fifties so they're

29:38

lying on these tables yeah yeah they're

29:40

lying on these tables unconscious I

29:41

assume and the three beings are standing

29:44

around the the woman closest to me like

29:45

just presenting like this you know I'm

29:48

doing a hand you say radio you like yeah

29:50

thank you I feel like I'm getting soul -

29:54

warm out that's like you know the

29:57

gesture is like yep this is what we do

29:59

for a living like show and tell uh and

30:01

and now I must be sedated because I'm

30:04

not like scared at all but I'm just sort

30:06

of out of it and I'm standing there

30:07

looking at this and I'm thinking to

30:08

myself why am I seeing this in that

30:11

female voice that I talked about earlier

30:12

answers because you've always want to

30:14

remember what an abduction was like and

30:15

then I remember having a really long

30:19

conversation with this woman but when I

30:21

got up the next day and this is after

30:24

I've been writing for you if a magazine

30:25

I've written a book I've done all the

30:26

shit I didn't want it to be real because

30:29

when it happens it doesn't matter that

30:31

it is real it's like you are like no no

30:33

this didn't happen so I decided to let

30:35

it go and I just let it go uh for

30:38

another couple years wow that's it I

30:40

think it's a very interesting reaction

30:42

especially to somebody who's been to

30:43

John Rick because yeah isn't that the

30:45

that's the Golden Calf you were just

30:47

given the gay

30:48

after you you can you can read a huge

30:49

book about this you know or whatever it

30:52

is like you you made contact I think

30:54

it's part of the brain though I think

30:55

the brain just doesn't want you to have

30:57

the information for some reason like he

31:00

doesn't want you to have sort of

31:01

conscious touching it will I think it is

31:03

it's also you probably just don't have

31:04

to deal with it in your real life

31:06

once you come I mean it's like no it's

31:07

not being gay to some degree you were in

31:09

the closet about your abduction and once

31:11

you like I'm the guy who was abducted

31:13

then you have two punks you're on a lot

31:15

less podcast below want to know right

31:18

it's not bad I think it's one thing to

31:20

theorize about something but then when

31:21

you actually experience it as horrifying

31:23

it's like oh Jesus you know am I wrong

31:26

am i lying to myself you know right you

31:27

do any sort of aggressive therapy like a

31:29

unit hypnotherapy all I had done that in

31:32

college yeah and and this is about the

31:38

point where George Noory kicks me off

31:39

his show uh so yeah so kousaka's a.m.

31:44

which is another um which is their

31:47

paranormal sort of it it's a wackadoo

31:50

show it's kind of it's how the

31:51

granddaddy of know of all yeah it's it's

31:53

the old the old grandfather that talks

31:56

about you know it's you you know works

31:58

for the post office he talks about the

32:00

Union people are trying to take money

32:02

out of his pockets on but George Noory

32:05

is kind of a ridiculous human being who

32:07

was the DJ for Costa Go Sam and you got

32:10

kicked off the show yes and watch me tie

32:13

all this up together in a nice little

32:14

bow please do so I was on promoting the

32:17

culture of contact the first we did two

32:19

festivals the first one was successful

32:21

the second one was such a bomb that I'm

32:23

surprised didn't take my life people

32:27

like daring apart the vessel yeah but

32:29

they they wanted me to set up a night

32:30

for them of me so I was supposed to go

32:32

on coast coast and then stay on the line

32:36

and answer calls yeah well no no well

32:38

talk to like I gave them but Hopkins and

32:40

Steve Bassett and maybe bill burns I

32:43

don't remember anyway so I set up this

32:46

night for them and uh you know before

32:48

you go on coast to coast they first of

32:50

all they make you hand in questions

32:52

since like so they yeah you do their job

32:55

for that our sourcing is like well thank

32:57

you thank you so much we're so glad you

33:00

could die

33:00

how'd you become the coolest man in the

33:02

world well let me tell you but here's

33:04

where it really sucks uh they say if you

33:07

don't have a landline go rent a hotel

33:09

room because you're gonna sell a million

33:10

copies of your book and it's going to be

33:12

in your best interest could you imagine

33:13

if I rented a hotel room in New York if

33:16

I didn't have a landline and then got

33:18

kicked off the show like oh no absolute

33:20

it's ludicrous

33:21

yeah you listen so ok so I do the show

33:22

and he had just gotten the readings back

33:25

from some sci-fi thing that he thought

33:27

was going to be his big ticket to uh TV

33:29

and the ratings were awful and so

33:31

apparently if right here he was in a

33:32

funk and so we were connecting but when

33:35

I told that format story the UFO his

33:38

answer to that was could it be angels

33:46

talking about George is just slappy I'm

33:50

a slap you George yeah I haven't heard

33:52

the show since art bell so I thought he

33:54

was joking I realized he had this whole

33:55

Catholic trip sometimes no laughs it was

33:57

like oh come on yeah I was like that was

34:00

my attitude

34:01

he's like angels are responsible for

34:03

quite a bit of pronominal pretty much

34:05

and then he asked me about hypnosis at

34:07

some point during this you know I was on

34:09

for maybe 20 minutes a half-hour uh and

34:11

I told him um you know in college I went

34:16

to with regular like school guidance

34:18

counselor who was like you seem normal

34:20

you have a handle on your background

34:21

nothing I can do for you uh uh goodbye

34:25

well well no let's wait therapist no

34:28

supposed to be better than sent me to so

34:30

she's like I'll send you to the head of

34:32

the uh it was Hartford University of

34:35

Hartford I went to Hartford mental ward

34:37

uh he can take a look at you which is

34:40

like geez do I want to take this dare

34:42

yeah are you talking about yeah Justice

34:44

League like no don't worry about it just

34:47

come a little closer no just take the

34:49

girls with yeah there's a guy there's a

34:50

guy with like a laser pointer I made for

34:53

him where's Moses torches go to sleep

34:55

scuba for this guy kept asking about

34:56

like the times that I would take showers

34:59

with this girl Stacey and not actually

35:01

touch her and all this earth so he was

35:03

really interested in the sexual aspect

35:05

and so I told him about you know the

35:06

alien stuff thing walks in my room and I

35:09

any keeps going on with sex questions I

35:11

say well what about the thing I actually

35:13

came in here for

35:14

you know millions he's like well that's

35:16

a dreams misinterpretations and

35:18

hallucinations anyway getting back to

35:20

the shower sounds like wasn't working so

35:23

that I sought out hypnotherapist uh and

35:26

she was to new-agey for my liking

35:28

yeah she's like what we'll spin the

35:30

we'll spin the crystal and event points

35:33

towards the ocean we know it's true yes

35:35

like very good thank you so here's where

35:38

you kicked off coast I basically I I

35:40

remember when I got out I felt as I was

35:44

under for a few minutes and I remember

35:47

like the surface level stuff I told her

35:50

which felt like me trying to please the

35:52

therapist in for real at all but when I

35:55

came out of it it was actually hours

35:57

later and she offered me free therapy

36:00

and it never daunted me until my first

36:03

radio interview to promote my first book

36:06

that when they asked me so what did you

36:08

say

36:08

never daunted me in all those years to

36:10

actually ask her what did I say she

36:12

never told me she never what yeah yeah

36:14

so I wonder if I was given like a

36:15

posthypnotic suggestion to not remember

36:17

and not ask like I don't know it's my

36:19

name is Barbara of a Carvey what is a VA

36:22

CAA are so you're gonna know this woman

36:25

don't they report him now don't they

36:26

regard Lee supposed to record all that

36:27

shit

36:28

that's ridiculous I don't think she

36:29

didn't record it I I don't know but I

36:31

never went back to her because I thought

36:32

she was too new eg yeah I told and she

36:35

stole all your memories yes I told nori

36:37

this and his answer was why'd you just

36:40

tell me that story as like well cuz you

36:43

asked what you mean things like but you

36:45

don't remember what you said so why'd

36:46

you tell it to me like because that's

36:48

actually what happened I make it up if

36:52

he's really into Catholicism you gonna

36:53

make up stories for him in real code as

36:55

possible and they're coming back in 2012

36:58

and like dog things like I knew it and

37:01

they'll be bringing juices with them

37:02

that'll be one of that's great so I am

37:04

still interested so so how long was it

37:07

before you express the this abduction

37:09

story how many years did you wait before

37:11

you got it off your conscious and made

37:13

like a public statement about it

37:17

I guess I wrote the book in 2003 and

37:20

then I gave it to UFO magazine to review

37:22

and they said hey you're a good writer

37:24

why don't you come right for us so

37:26

that's great that's in the abduction

37:27

happened around 2000 it was in 2001 2001

37:30

that abducted yeah it was it was a month

37:33

after 9/11 in New York while I was

37:36

losing my virginity whoa Angie stretcher

37:42

because that was wondering what the anti

37:44

structure was it was like all right well

37:46

you know it's October 2001 there's some

37:48

weird shit going on in the city

37:49

interests mega by using your virginity I

37:53

wanted Wow that I just don't I the more

37:57

we were talking about this a little bit

37:59

before the show where it's just the more

38:00

you dig the more the more you look into

38:03

it the more you research it it just it

38:05

gets hairier and hairier yeah yeah you

38:07

don't know what the hell is why I mean I

38:08

don't you know aliens that doesn't make

38:09

sense like nothing nothing that you

38:11

throw at this really makes sense right

38:13

no do you think it is it about an agenda

38:16

do you believe though that you met

38:18

separate personalities like these were

38:21

things outside of your own brain yeah

38:24

and that do you think that they have an

38:26

agenda like is it like do you think or

38:29

is it just a matter is it all personal

38:30

is it about a subjective experience um

38:35

that's a tough question to answer i

38:38

don'ti I'm sorry I know this is it's

38:40

also usage that you said earlier like at

38:43

the very beginning that you don't know

38:44

if it's aliens right yes point like what

38:47

do you believe it is then alright I mean

38:49

well I mean I think that whatever I

38:50

don't think the word alien serve but

38:53

like I think when we think of aliens we

38:54

anthropomorphize this thing and we oh

38:57

okay that's not like we do a lot more

38:59

like we want the government to tell us

39:01

what's going on and so we can have

39:02

galactic NAFTA yeah go join the Galactic

39:05

Federation yeah we want to get there via

39:07

their galactic plutonium to make our

39:09

yeah like we want to get their stuff I

39:11

want to find a conehead girl with a real

39:15

hot girl with a conehead Connie was

39:16

pretty hot out kind of store

39:18

I think whatever it is I think it it um

39:20

either it or it uses or we filter them

39:24

through wood however that works out

39:26

cultural constructs and so now they look

39:29

like aliens before they look like

39:30

fairies before that they look like you

39:32

know Marion visions and and that it's

39:34

not about what they are specifically

39:36

it's it's just about what they kind of

39:38

stand for which is a greater universe

39:40

well here comes my spiritual stick which

39:42

is I think that whatever this is of a

39:44

oneness consciousness yeah and so I

39:47

think from their point of view it's one

39:48

waking oneself up a sign that maybe it's

39:52

have been coming from inside your own

39:53

brain like ah or do you that so you do

39:56

you think it's a collective unconscious

39:58

type of thing no no I do I think that

40:03

they have an independent reality outside

40:05

of me yeah yeah all right I do do I also

40:08

think that they are intricately linked

40:10

to us yes oh yeah uh so alright how does

40:13

one explain that but I also I mean the

40:15

DMT connection um is also there you know

40:18 3:30 in the morning your brain produces 40:20

the most DMT yeah and what's DMT it's uh

40:24

it's the the hallucinatory chemical

40:27

compound found in I think shrooms right

40:29

yeah well DMT in and of itself is

40:31

drugged and it's the rate so it's also

40:33

the the illusion and that's released

40:35

like in moments before you die

40:37

yeah I pine eel glands interesting is

40:40

the one like makes dying okay but he'll

40:42

again that's kind of just sort of that

40:44

could just be a sort of window why how

40:46

we're all sort of we're all late all the

40:48

whole thing's liked the whole thing is

40:51

is all connect each other it's kind of

40:52

nebulous right so frequencies man yeah I

40:54

mean I do want to say just one thing

40:56

because two years after that experience

40:59

the 2001 experience we had a subletter

41:02

at our apartment in Astoria and I was in

41:04

a different bedroom and uh I was talking

41:08

him in the morning and getting to know

41:10

him in my my left nostril started

41:12

bleeding and that triggered a flashback

41:13

to what happened that night uh which

41:16

I'll I'll save you the gory details no

41:18

do not save them dude yeah well cuz this

41:21

gets into another word this is where I

41:22

jump the shark sort of moment jump in so

41:26

jump jump the shark uh well there's this

41:30

other thing that

41:31

is not created by this alien thing but

41:33

is related which then are you guys

41:34

familiar with Kundalini no no okay well

41:37

there's this mysterious energy called

41:40

Kundalini and that it turns out is real

41:42

which makes the you know once it's

41:45

activated or whatever makes the body do

41:48

if you shut up long enough to let this

41:51

seemingly other will do its thing does

41:53

like Taichi and does yoga and does lots

41:55

of crazy looking things well this is now

41:59

active in me uh and so if I let it go

42:03

it'll do that type of stuff things I'm

42:05

not really familiar with but this finite

42:07

it clearly wanted to move around yeah

42:10

and it just pinched the bridge of my

42:11

nose which was a completely pedestrian

42:14

thing is that that later in the night

42:16

once again just like in the other

42:18

bedroom of the same apartment I woke up

42:20

bright light um what was it yeah it was

42:24

bright light that woke me up so the

42:28

windows here movie re audio people while

42:31

we understand the words you my right and

42:34

the windows to my left front uh and I'm

42:37

looking out the window and like why is

42:39

it bright in here if there's no the Sun

42:41

isn't up like what the hell and you know

42:43

just glance over to my right and where

42:46

my wall should be is like this vortex or

42:49

force field or something that same

42:51

bright white light that I had seen

42:52

outside my window in the other bedroom

42:54

and when I looked at this my nose

42:56

started bleeding down the back of my

42:58

throat so I think whatever this energy

43:00

is cauterized my nose before I went to

43:02

sleep so I wouldn't bleed out all over

43:04

the place but then when I had bloody

43:06

nose in the morning it triggered the

43:07

memory of all this having happened it's

43:09

uh really interesting and the reason I'm

43:11

telling you this is because that quality

43:13

of light you know was the same quality

43:16

from the other experience from 2001 and

43:18

part of the way that I was able to deny

43:21

that experience is to say well there's

43:23

no chance in hell they're bright light

43:24

shining through my window and all of

43:25

Queens wasn't woken up there couldn't

43:27

have been like a ship shining a light

43:29

through my window that's not possible

43:30

yeah and so this told me well that's

43:33

right so what it is is this portal opens

43:35

up and you know there they are

43:40

thing Wow Betty that's so amazing it is

43:43

so amazing thank you so much for coming

43:45

on and talking with I just want to know

43:47

just lastly like how does this shape

43:48

your worldview like how do you vote for

43:50

the President of the United States

43:52

Eddie pay you how do you get a gladiator

43:55

for food yeah I would like the General

43:57

Tso's Urza portal in my rooms will get

43:59

me too I don't know when they're coming

44:01

like how do you do that like how do you

44:03

live in both worlds at once um that's a

44:08

good question to Hawaii it was a lot

44:09

harder before I mean I I think um I mean

44:13

in a way it's it's difficult but it's

44:17

good that it's happening to me because I

44:18

feel like I have a good handle on like

44:21

unlike other people in this field who

44:25

are completely like socially retarded

44:26

like I I understand the joke I get like

44:29

if I didn't if it's one having to me

44:30

like I wouldn't believe me like there's

44:32

not a chance in hell I believe me and so

44:34

if you've got that like sense of humor

44:36

about it I think it gets you through one

44:38

last question the hardest question of

44:39

the day didn't crust or deep dish man

44:44

deep dish yeah if anything else you want

44:50

to plug before

44:51

what no no well just I brought a bunch

44:54

of extra books and DVDs for your

44:57

listeners if you want to do some sort of

44:58

that's a little easy con we have the

45:00

live show at the creek in the cave on

45:02

Saturday after October 1st immediately

45:04

followed by big fat scary so we'll also

45:06

tie this into that and the books are

45:09

urgency and I know why the aliens don't

45:12

land the movie is no one's watching an

45:14

alien up DS up up abductees story are

45:17

these available in Amazon as well well

45:19

yes they are glad you asked that thank

45:20

you

45:21

and the website is para topia ComNet oh

45:24

yeah let me drown comm will bring you to

45:27

some Asian site you know don't go to the

45:29

Asian side then again you know stop by

45:31

the dotnet first and check out the Asian

45:33

side I hear you thank you again so much

45:36

for coming down Jeremy vane

45:38

thank you so much man this has been my

45:39

favorite episode yet absolutely it's

45:41

been amazing Thank You Jeremy Magoo

45:43

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your house put a meatball on it