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what right one FBI you must admit that I

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am the Lord and Savior and it's like

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well um we are just not gonna do that

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mr. Koretz well then they're gonna hate

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number two you must have missed I admit

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I am the Lord

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I you we're gonna pass on number two to

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come on a good but good public speaker

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you're pretty good recording the last

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podcast on the left the spookiest

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podcast you're ever going to jack off to

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do you jack off for this if you do shut

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it off I shut it off right now so get

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off to this stutter drop in five minutes

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as soon as you finish we don't want to

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disappointed young jizz in our heads

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true that's true I'll just pause the

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podcast and jerk off to your own

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selected material I am Ben Kissel Henry

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Zebrowski Marcus Parks and this is truly

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the sickest podcast around today our

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main focus is going to be on the

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fascinating world of cults and all they

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have brought to our society that's the

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things the only thing about cults I

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would never be in one because I hate

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wearing uniforms well there are some

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more freedom cults I'm not sure if the

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if the Waco Texas people weren't

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necessarily forced to wear uniforms and

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then it was more of a laid-back cult

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casual if you will a button-down shirt

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you tuck it in and then amorous of

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course it was always palm tree Fridays

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yeah you got to wear your palm tree

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shirts was not a he had the long hair no

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no Barry cash I know we're talking about

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you it's like he and see the thing I was

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I was reading about it and so he's part

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of a thing call the Branch Davidians

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right well I mean he is the Davidian he

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is the guy who was like supposed to be

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sort of reincarnated Jesus type and you

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they have to verify it did you read the

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thing about how we got to be in charge

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of the bridge davidians no tell me about

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him and another forgot the name of the

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his competing guy another one of his

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it's like a cousin of his we're fighting

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for it and they dug up graves they took

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up the grave of the former runner of

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Branch Davidian and had a resurrect

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where they tried to both try to raise

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him from the dead

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I don't think happened but somehow they

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chose right when just his cousin behind

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the dude waving his arm behind I see him

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I see it and then David goes and he's

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far better puppeteering like fishing

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wire to I mean walking obviously he

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could have been a very skilled Jeff

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Dunham type absolutely I mean imagine

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Jeff Dunham is actually a very similar

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in personality right David Koresh I

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would assume so this is interesting as

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we all remember back in 1993 we were

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young pups but the Waco Texas raid was

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conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol

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Tobacco and Firearms yeah it wasn't even

02:56

the FBI I always thought it was the FBI

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the ATF didn't they do that too because

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it was because they tried to traffic in

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old like the ak-47s and stuff like that

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and basically they got them on arm that

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was the charge because I guess you

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really can't charge somebody for the

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religious beliefs right you're now a

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fine ages but there's no like cuckoo

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laws well they're law you broke the law

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being cuckoo today and so you're going

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to jail no wonder wacky taffy land where

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all you get to eat is Cheerios and

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string cheese let's go there well their

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justification for for actually invading

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the place was the children it was like

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there were children being molested in

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there which they weren't well David

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Koresh set up the thing to where he was

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the only he dissolves all the marriages

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everyone was involved anyone who brought

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in like significant other and all the

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women he was the only one allowed to

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have sex with that see I was just gonna

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say I don't know what would drive people

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to a cult until right now if I'm married

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to a robust robust oh when she

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constantly shopping Piggly Wiggly in the

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wrong hands and whatnot

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me especially my wife she should I said

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all of a sudden this david koresh

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characters like hey come on over I'll

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bang her for ya I'll bang on you're no

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longer Mary - I thank God it would be

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amazing so I assume you've probably got

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a couple of guys in there just like take

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my wife please please take my wife and

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they loved Henny Youngman the coverage

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of the of the actual raid on the camp on

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the compound was that was one of the

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most terrifying things I ever saw as a

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child because it was a lie was we were

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watching live footage you know Texas see

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I found it exhilarating yeah I did I did

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but I didn't tell I saw a woman on fire

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one out of the building

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right on I saw that happen live never

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lie I was like we were all like what ten

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whenever that happened something like

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that it was horrified it was horrifying

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but I couldn't look away and I didn't

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have nightmares or anything it's

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honestly it's a cherished childhood

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memory for me that is just quite

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attached I lose anyway can you imagine

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like just being with a girlfriend or

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being with someone who instead of like

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letting you break up with them would

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rather set you both on fire you know

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that's real love that's real attachment

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I mean it's definitely real attachment I

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don't know if it's real love yeah

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according to the old wiki here so six

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people died in injury in these raids and

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evidently was a 51-day standoff yeah it

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was long it was a long is it that that

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sounds like worse than Jimmy Carter's

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eye Ron Hosko Jasin 51 days going to the

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house

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imagine like having to like negotiate

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with David Koresh for 51 days I was

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talking to the craziest dude in the face

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of the planet

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one FBI you must admit that I am the

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Lord and Savior and it's like well we

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are just not gonna do that mr. correct

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well then they're gonna hate number two

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you must have missed I admit I'm the

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Lord

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I you we're gonna pass on number two -

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but good public speaker

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you're pretty good but you're pretty

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good yeah yes the US government has

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recognized me that would be that is

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incredible I really wonder what went

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through these people's heads for 51 days

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how was he able to convince them that he

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was still right

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I guess it's the same thing as I mean I

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grew up very evangelical Christian which

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frankly makes this Koresh call to look

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like a goddamn you know kindergarten

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yeah you know dodgeball game no one

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really gets hurt

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as opposed to where the way I grew up

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it's bizarre to think and I think what

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helps is having like the FBI out there

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and all these people out there so we can

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be like look at them they're attacking

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us and the FBI was not coy they were

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like let's bring some tanks some

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helicopters oh yeah

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make a blame like we're friends you know

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ya know that's what you do is you kind

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of set it up it's like it's like

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anything where you can set up a we're

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the underdog we're the we're the

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persecuted ones and now we have the

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evidence for it that we have to be right

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or would they like be trying to shut us

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down so hard if we were the only ones

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who had the key to salvation and it's

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just pretty just generally insane I must

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clarify here on February 28th that was

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when the ATF went in and had their rate

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of killing six but the actual FBI raid

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which happened a little bit later killed

07:12 79 Branch Davidian I did not know it was 07:16

that high yeah 79 21 of hue of whom were

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children and I remember when this came

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out you know they had kids with guns too

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can you imagine being an FBI officer

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going through their full SWAT SWAT gear

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going through the house nine-year-old

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girl with an ak-47 comes around the

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corner fucking shoots you in the leg

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welcome to Nam I mean that isn't yeah I

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mean if you're looking at a child with a

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gun that's even more scary than looking

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at an older man because an older man has

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has some bearing of reality yeah has

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some sort of self-interest to stay alive

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this nine-year-old girl has no concept

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of life or death all she knows it's

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David Koresh and she's a nine so she's

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gonna be what do you call that

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prepubescent not prepubescent but when

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you're acceptable to VHD yeah with the

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trigger

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impulsive you know you think it's a

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friggin video game I thought it would be

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going out like boy talk about four-eyed

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it's sort of dark up like a mindset as a

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child and I probably would have killed

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someone much easier as a child I Oh

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totally you start killing somebody at

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nine years old

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as well if you're in these branch

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davidians I mean there's no use of your

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you rewarded for it it's like when a dog

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takes a shit on the street and you're

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like good boy but when I do it God knows

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everyone's up in arms and being a child

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too and you just like you have all these

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adults also telling you that the leader

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the guy who's fucking mommy all the time

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is also God

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so you just I imagine that it's pretty

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hard to question well what you were

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talking about earlier as far as like how

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do you keep people going for all that

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time there a ton of videos that he the

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David Koresh recorded Darren that siege

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and you can see completely it's exactly

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like it's the persecuted minority it's

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like you have to keep you know going on

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this whole time because you know we're

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right and they are you know they're like

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the that the Egyptians against the Jews

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all that type of stuff yeah I mean a

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common enemy is the reason that we won

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world war two both US and Russia who

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hated each other and then went on for a

09:21 50-year cold war only United because 09:24

they're like well I hate that guy you

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were perfect for that if you really want

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to get everyone banded up together you

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just have to have like so what you want

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to be honorable just wear good luck you

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have the snappy costumes but you have

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the Nazis ad right you know very just

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together ceremonies and have things

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called blitzkrieg yeah absolutely you

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know we were talking about last week

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you're asking me about you know just

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Texas have serial killers no but we have

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cults out the ass all today I just went

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back to Wisconsin this weekend which

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where I'm from but I haven't been there

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in five years and it was just so fun to

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see all this this room to grow and I

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mean that's why you know everyone's a

10:05

bit larger and and bosoms grow like

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pineapples and you can totally see with

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the isolation out there imagine

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pineapple breasts I was like it would be

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rough food would be rough to suckle yeah

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I mean it would be the best cock

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fuckable no no you cut your penis

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yeah cut your penis you ever get a

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little cut on your penis well you know

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not it's pretty good not koresh to blow

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one cock blood to your perhaps a time or

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two but you go to these small places

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it's so isolated the notion of somebody

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come into town with an idea that is like

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progressive and new to these people is

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totally reasonable because you know

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frankly the people have ideas but no one

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is there to challenge them because

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nobody's there around yeah so when one

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voice comes in and he says mildly

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reasonable things and you know to some

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degree he's like you know once again

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you're in a bad marriage come to me

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you're a bad childhood come to me

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because it takes all the effort under

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your hands to change your life what you

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have is like yeah you know like yeah to

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give you guidance in your life when it's

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hard I also like antennas and also never

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perfect not only guidance friendship

11:15

community a reason a purpose exactly

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they all did in Texas too it's perfect

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because there's so much space it's so

11:24

easy to isolate yourself well the last

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call that was big in it was in Texas it

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was outside of San Angelo just not too

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far away from where I grew up it was

11:33

that polygamist cult that they had they

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had a compound they were like they were

11:38

very we're talking to Warren Jeffs here

11:40

are we yeah talk about not Warren Jeffs

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that like this is a it was a not a

11:45

polygamist it was more like pedophilia

11:48

type thing like an amble attack on Robyn

11:53

of molestation for children Ambler

11:56

comedy show go pedophiles look at those

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sweet flat kids no pussy hair pulls in

12:09

candy everywhere like just candy leaving

12:11

into the theater I would join his cult

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in a heartbeat I'm the leader of it you

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know I grew up with one an hour away

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that was in Abilene and it was called

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the house of yahweh and it's still

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around like still around to this day and

12:28

they had a they had a compound they

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didn't really go out it seems like it's

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based in christianity it's based in

12:34

christian but so as the Branch Davidians

12:37

will don't based on like that they were

12:39

based on Christianity as well yeah but

12:41

crackpot Christianity and it all just it

12:44

sounds like sci-fi Christianity where

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they kind of talk about like Jesus is

12:48

sort of like mystical warlord and they

12:51

think he's gonna come back and it's all

12:53

they anything about a religion that I

12:55

that I can't stand which is like the

12:57

idea that there's like specific numbers

12:58

you're talking about Branch Davidians

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that Jesus is gonna come back he's gonna

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choose 1,000 to save and they're gonna

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go with him and live in heaven where

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they can all fuck other people yeah and

13:09

that they can then come but then they'll

13:11

come back and take over the earth the

13:14

thousand of them just like living

13:15

together what I mean Heaven's Gate is

13:17

one of the most ridiculous ones yeah

13:19

Heaven's Gate and I want I want to call

13:21

Heaven's Gate out for stealing the Green

13:23

Bay Packers logo take a look if you get

13:31

a chance Google Heaven's Gate this man

13:36

is obviously not the most creative way

13:38

to graphic designer who who did that

13:41

they must have had at least one or two

13:42

just so can you imagine the graphic

13:45

designers like going up to Marshall

13:47

Applewhite look is this good oh you guys

13:49

got like those like clear green glasses

13:51

on like lives off the Bedford stop like

13:53

walking on is like MacBook Pro just like

13:56

just to all hipster but then puts on the

13:58

Nikes and drinks the poison so put up

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their dicks to write it castrated

14:03

themselves make the G more like that the

14:05

Packers logo buy a chance yeah they can

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stirred yeah yeah took place in

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California in 1997 March 23rd 21 women

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and 18 men volunteer volunteer Lee

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committed suicide in three different

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groups in three successive days yeah

14:23

which i think is interesting you would

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think after you see the first group

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killed themselves and not turn to aliens

14:30

and not come back and be your body and

14:34

just have terrible Nike shoes on yeah

14:37

you would think you might reconsider I

14:40

love the fact that it was so

14:42

specifically Nikes - I think that was

14:45

just so and you will my fake that I was

14:48

just about to say my favorite SNL

14:49

commercial parody is that they're

14:51

showing the final seems like everybody

14:54

dead and there

14:54

with Nike shoes on they're playing

14:57

revolution by the Beatles and then at

14:59

the end of it it just says kids so yeah

15:06

it was what's the name of the leader of

15:08

this Heaven's Gate Marshall Applewhite

15:09

Marshall Applewhite which is another

15:11

choice you like mari it's hard to t like

15:15

specifically create a good cult name

15:17

like like cult leader name but that is a

15:20

really good one

15:21

oh yeah any David Koresh is a good one

15:23

like Jim Jones good just sort of like

15:27

anonymous sounding Evan Jellicle name

15:30

the the new Jesus and we were talking

15:33

about religion earlier and this is also

15:35

I see now this is actually kind of a

15:37

revelation to me because I thought these

15:38

ideas were actually sort of more you

15:41

know out of the random ether but

15:42

Heaven's Gate is also based on

15:44

Christianity but they add this

15:47

unbelievable or unusual belief of UFOs

15:50

that hale-bopp is gonna show up and pick

15:52

them all up and take them to the

15:54

promised land which is it isn't every

15:57

single human being terrified of being

15:59

abducted by UFOs not if you see it it's

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a beautiful wondrous thing and again

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it's all tied to sex and like hedonism

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it's like this thing that all sort of

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religions do of just like you have to be

16:10

chaste especially Christian religions

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you to be chaste and sort of watch what

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you do in this life so the next life all

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you can do is bone each other run climb

16:19

the next life all you can do is do all

16:21

the things you wanted to do on earth

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yeah but you thought it was somehow

16:24

wrong but when you're in the Lord's

16:25

house he's just like fuck away like do

16:27

it do it yeah I'm starin at you but it's

16:30

fine that's why have you do it up here

16:32

it's just so I could look at you do it

16:35

my shit Wow come on come on ezel talks

16:39

about himself that's all the cloud god

16:41

oh god oh god blo God God God Oh got

16:43

your little self centered well he's

16:46

three people in one oh that you know God

16:48

is Jesus and the Holy stories got his

16:50

mouth filled up and his assholes doing

16:52

but absolutely that's true about the

16:55

religion that's the fun to talk about

16:58

yeah uses similar terminology as well

17:00

you know he has a quote here he always

17:02

said that the soul is you know of course

17:05

a temporary thing

17:06

no the soul lives on forever in the

17:08

bodies of temporary containers of the

17:10

soul you know which is which is you know

17:12

I growing up religious the body is your

17:14

vessel all of that sort of stuff so it

17:17

really is just an extension on things

17:19

that people have already heard but up to

17:23

this point no I you know heaven's gate

17:26

pastor had been caught molesting boys

17:28

now you know there was like no there

17:30

were no children involved in heaven okay

17:32

no I don't think so

17:33

it was all old retard 26 272 that was

17:38

the age range so fucking stupid I just

17:40

don't understand how I guess you know I

17:43

just would never do it I just would not

17:45

believe him I would not believe now

17:47

maple what was it Marshall Applewhite I

17:50

would not believe him for a second I'd

17:51

be like get away oh my god they all died

17:54

wearing armbands reading Heaven's Gate

17:58

away team there's Star Trek nerds is

18:05

that Star Trek nerd thing there's a

18:07

documentary out called the Phoenix

18:09

lights that is it's another topic that

18:11

will eventually probably broach which is

18:13

UFOs but there was a series of sightings

18:16

over Phoenix that happened during this

18:19

time they were like talking about how

18:21

that it was kind of connected to Hale

18:22

Bopp because there was this whole thing

18:25

this was all held Bob time as well in

18:27

Oldenburg um yeah and like people they

18:29

just thought that aliens knew that

18:31

people were waiting the coming of Hale

18:33

Bopp and so we'll do a mass presentation

18:36

of our like existence while people

18:39

already would be looking at the sky so

18:41

you know they had conversations being

18:43

like oh my god those people out there

18:45

are so stupid they don't even believe

18:46

the aliens are coming towards typically

18:51

in Uranus human beings it's funny

18:56

because doesn't the existence of aliens

18:58

actually disprove every religion this is

19:01

really I don't know maybe I would know

19:04

we're no longer the golden people that

19:07

everybody thought that we were supposed

19:09

to be I think what really disproves

19:10

religion is just the whole thing about

19:13

it reason if it's like oh yeah

19:16

everything that's involved with having

19:18

to believe that an imaginary man lives

19:20

in the sky and tells you various things

19:22

that's true and speaking of religion

19:24

that was Jonestown we got to talk about

19:26

Jones down here

19:27

now add the this day this is 1978 and

19:31

we're dealing with more than 900 people

19:33

died now this was also connected they

19:37

the best part about this one too I guess

19:39

it kind of runs through a bunch of holes

19:41

where it's like how much coverage of

19:43

themselves they get or it's like and

19:45

especially nowadays you know that you

19:47

know Koresh would have all of those

19:49

YouTube videos and Heaven's Gate it

19:52

would all be a channel on one of these

19:54

terrible social networking sites and

19:56

that's the thing they would have been on

19:57

a youtube and they would have been

19:59

ridiculed and it would have been over or

20:01

they've gotten more followers yeah if

20:04

you want more casual followers you'd

20:06

have more people who are like doing in

20:07

their home and then like sleeper cells

20:09

usually decide to like take action in

20:11

their own hands right by watching a

20:13

video on YouTube but then being like oh

20:15

my goood on a post office take a dump at

20:16

the post office yeah sure JonBenet and

20:19

as a matter of fact I think I was just

20:21

thinking about current um possible cults

20:24

I think that one fella the Terry Jones

20:26

the pastor in Florida and the quran's

20:28

who was just outside of a mosque with a

20:29

gun no it was shocked to be arrested for

20:32

it Ronin a goddamn GL someone to arrest

20:35

him he is he is in jail right now oh

20:38

good yeah cuz he went to a mosque with a

20:40

gun but so Jim Jones says we have 900

20:43

people dead we found I forgot what the

20:45

source of it was that we found the tapes

20:48

the ending tape soap in the Jim Jones

20:51

the end of the whole thing and what what

20:55

is it technically called the Woodstock

20:57

no Jim Jones woods Jonestown stop Joan

21:01

sandstone stuff oh it's just Jonestown

21:02

jokes what they call this trips yeah

21:04

I'll pull it up in a sec I'll give it

21:06

here

21:15

you

21:25

you regret that this very day if you

21:28

don't die you'll regret it if you do no

21:31

you don't die you'll regret it many

21:34

people I bathed them I saved them but I

21:38

made my example I made my confession

21:40

I made my manifestation and the world

21:43

was ready not ready for me part that

21:45

I've a man born out of due season I've

21:47

been born out of due season just like

21:48

all we are and the best testimony we can

21:50

make it believe it damn well but they

21:54

recorded their final moments so he did

21:57

it was a mass poisoning where everyone

22:01

in the entire community poisoned

22:03

themselves including Jim Jones and like

22:05

all the children there was like

22:07

countless children there as well because

22:09

the super family was I mean nine hundred

22:11

people that's the small town Let's Get

22:14

gone

22:15

let's hit DOM we had nothing we can do

22:20

we can we can separate ourselves from

22:23

our own people

22:28

and some of them and some of them

22:31

escaped and some of them like left

22:33

certain times and Jim Jones would kind

22:35

of like say that they were traitors and

22:36

we listened to the recording of Jim

22:40

Jones especially like essentially just

22:42

like leading the charge into the mass

22:45

poisoning where he's like trying to keep

22:48

people in with him and like I'll say was

22:51

in being distributed

23:01

you

23:12

my only the only advice I could ever

23:15

give to Charlie Sheen if he wants those

23:16

shows to start going better listen to

23:18

James Jones control and audience killing

23:21

themselves some of whom were like I

23:23

don't know if we should do this and he

23:25

he gets them for always points that were

23:28

minutes it is one of the most harrowing

23:30

intense awful things I've ever listened

23:35

to I mean we were also all baked out of

23:37

our friggin gourds that let's do it too

23:38

and would work I think that made it far

23:40

more terrifying yeah we all just sat and

23:43

just listen to it in silence for like 45

23:45

minutes but there's something about

23:47

listening to somebody's last words it's

23:50

a very bizarre thing and it's all super

23:53

creepy too because you hear like babies

23:56

crying cut and then it all just stops

23:59

and then silent is you know a cliche

24:03

deafening

24:13

you

25:44

most people ended up drinking a fruit

25:46

punch which hey who doesn't like a good

25:48

fruit punch hey I love kool-aid

25:50

especially haha this is really just

25:51

their senior prom

25:52

now they laced it with the cyanide and

25:54

the tranquil or I tranquilizers and

25:57

although also some people injected it

25:59

into their veins how how bizarre and by

26:02

the way Jim Jones looks like a bad

26:05

country singer yeah and he had a

26:07

terrible Lisp yeah nothing like a very

26:09

bad speech impediment to you know that

26:12

seems to be the thing with a lot of

26:13

these leaders they don't particularly

26:16

look charming a David Koresh he

26:18

certainly was

26:18

he was no you know you know Harry

26:21

Connick jr. no you know the man was in

26:24

Wuan the ladies by any measure but the

26:26

same thing with what we see with serial

26:28

killers who's kind of know I mean it's a

26:31

little bit of a serial different of

26:34

serial killers

26:35

life is all private like their their

26:37

insanity is on the inside and they like

26:39

put it on people but and and the cult

26:43

leaders are very public and they need

26:44

people to support them in order to sort

26:46

of validate their psychosis but it's

26:48

also strange ya know they gonna leave it

26:50

all big public forum but it's also it

26:54

just seems again it's the pavilion of

26:56

sort of these shiftless losers who the

27:01

superiority complex or they I mean I

27:04

think the fact that he has a speech

27:05

impediment the fact that no one's ever

27:07

really taken his words seriously is the

27:09

motivation to overcome yeah I mean

27:12

there's something I will say as public

27:14

speakers as we all are obviously we're

27:16

not afraid of being on stage you the

27:20

initial motivation to get on stage is

27:22

never confidence now it's it's sheer

27:26

fucking misery your life is miserable

27:29

and you don't know how else to express

27:31

it because your parents don't listen to

27:32

you God knows your father's you know too

27:35

busy working and your mother's too busy

27:37

telling you about the bread she baked

27:39

that was terrible

27:41

you know so and you're just looking for

27:43

and it's group validation it's sort and

27:46

then in a cult scenario you just have

27:49

everybody say it's an echo chamber

27:51

talking about outside we're talking

27:53

earlier it's like a you just have

27:55

everybody agreeing with it so it's but

27:58

everybody's back at each other up good

28:00

day in echo chamber two will go back

28:03

it's like a always they always tend to

28:05

live together in isolated area so when

28:07

yeah so one person says something and

28:09

then there's no validating voice there's

28:11

I mean nothing but validating voice

28:13

there's no voice from the outside

28:14

they're not having these meetings and

28:15

Starbucks yeah because if they were

28:17

having them in Starbucks somebody like

28:18

guys I think God I'm actually a Gideon a

28:25

Jewish fella here you check out the

28:27

Koran weird whatever there's no other

28:30

voice Hammoud salud

28:33

hey very nice no and that's it but and

28:36

then take it back into serial killers

28:38

it's just kind of the same exact that

28:39

we're there echo chamber it's inside

28:41

their own fucking brain and they

28:43

constantly rotating reiterating to

28:46

themselves and cilia right serial

28:48

killers I mean I think isolation is the

28:50

key to keeping a congregation on your

28:52

side well Jonestown was what an island

28:55

in the Caribbean this is right yeah

28:57

Jonestown took place in South America

28:59

that must've been gorgeous and boy have

29:01

you seen the video of it of the dead

29:03

bodies if you look around the net dead

29:04

bodies and it looks great for the family

29:08

on vacation like this cruise is just a

29:14

bust

29:15

Spanish food we gotta go back to

29:22

Pennsylvania

29:23

no wait mom just my mom just got back

29:25

from a cruise to San Juan and that was

29:27

her main complaint she was just like we

29:30

went to San Juan and there was just so

29:32

many dirty kids there we just had a

29:35

terrible time and I was like it's a

29:38

country they live their job to wash up

29:43

for know they sit and they watched a big

29:45

boat full of fat American bread exactly

29:47

I would love to get the perspective of

29:49

dirty kids be like look how weird and

29:51

clean and fat how do people live like

29:55

that very well exactly we really enjoy

29:58

yourselves

29:59

yeah it explains in South American oh

30:01

it's the best country on Earth it took

30:03

place in South America

30:05

of course it started in America but they

30:07

had to relocate and by the way murder

30:08

fists of the sketch group here in New

30:10

York they you guys were able to reload

30:12

relocate 11 people imagine Rico

30:14

relocating 900 people this is how much

30:18

big followed him it's a huge email chain

30:22

yeah it's devastating when are you

30:24

leaving Tammy I was thinking Monday at

30:26 9:00 Tuesday's better for me I gotta 30:29

finish up my final two weeks at H&M; bank

30:32

ok ok ok let's agree to disagree

30:34

some of us Monday some of us Tuesday the

30:37

rest on Friday but we're all gonna kill

30:39

ourselves right yeah definitely ok cool

30:41

start in California I think that they

30:44

did start in California yes California

30:46

is another wonderful hot spot oh yeah

30:50

and Manson yeah of course yeah we'll

30:52

definitely talk about Manson next yeah

30:54

so anyway so he got 900 people out there

30:56

the South America they ended up killing

30:58

the congressman of course which is

30:59

fascinating listen to that footage yeah

31:01

when he announces that here some people

31:03

realize they're in over their heads oh

31:05

yeah that's the other amazing thing when

31:06

you listen to this footage some people

31:07

are like oh he was serious I literally

31:09

just thought this was spiked with vodka

31:11

but this kool-aid his cyanide yeah some

31:13

kind of snuck up on them yeah they

31:15

thought it was a symbolic thing exactly

31:17

as it should have been probably should

31:19

have been no reason yeah it would be as

31:22

if it's the Catholic Church when when

31:23

you ate the body and blood of Christ you

31:25

literally ate a small aborted babies

31:27

body and somebody someone's true blood

31:30

no one would ever imagine that that

31:32

would really again that would really

31:33

sort out the true believer so that's a

31:36

good point they were probably about 900

31:38

left in the Catholic Church as well yes

31:40

speaking of the death tape on iTunes

31:42

where it comes out court like the name

31:44

of it is like the Jonestown death tape

31:46

and the album is the Jonestown death

31:48

tape but the artist is like Reverend Jim

31:50

Jones of the people's Tim title

31:56

is definitely his black album the best

32:00

news ever made and lastly with this guy

32:04

I think this is kind of interesting

32:05

three members of the of the cult that

32:08

did not go with them they'll ended up

32:10

living in the capital city of Georgetown

32:11

they killed themselves after they heard

32:13

about the mass deaths well of course all

32:15

their friends are dead I said but I

32:17

think that's even more that's even more

32:19

of a testament to how powerful this guy

32:21

was in these people's lives you know

32:23

they did not have to kill themselves

32:24

their leader was literally dead and they

32:26

still took it upon themselves to do that

32:28

yeah straight-up just do not get it I

32:30

just don't it's weird how I have not

32:33

that even I have a sort of understanding

32:35

of serial killers but I cannot fathom a

32:40

cultist members mind I don't know what I

32:42

can't fathom the cultist members mine

32:44

but I can definitely fathom the cult

32:45

leaders my figure as you mentioned

32:48

earlier Henry the greatest cult leader

32:50

which in my opinion is better than all

32:52

of the cult leaders we've currently

32:53

talked about because he did not kill his

32:55

own people he had his people kill

32:57

Charlie Manson Oh Charles Manson man he

33:02

is just crazy and people I think people

33:07

wrongly classify him as a serial killer

33:09

so much I probably killed some people as

33:12

well yeah he's an actor sighs yeah it's

33:17

about 5'4 with that you know nice head

33:19

it was a sore head yeah you almost right

33:21

bead was before wearing with the Beach

33:23

Boys right yeah I mean that's the thing

33:25

so boring but like he knew them and then

33:28

you know was a part of the whole thing

33:29

was that he forgot what member of the

33:31

beach boy like sort of can you imagine

33:34

first of all having that as just your

33:36

friend Charles Manson is just hanging

33:38

around

33:39

yes trying to make you give his shit

33:42

record too you're like very powerful

33:46

record we all know a certain comedian

33:47

who does very similar but I mean those

33:53

personality types exist yeah and I think

33:56

it would be kind of fun to actually hang

33:57

out with him for a little while until

33:58

you realize oh you're serious once again

34:00

with all these cold people are like oh

34:02

no I was just laughing these like why

34:04

you laughing at me man yeah

34:06

you're telling jokes oh great I just

34:09

remembered I gotta go pick up the

34:11

chicken at the YMCA down over in Minh

34:15

ask brain okay well I like your shoes

34:23

very okay this is interesting he was

34:27

born to an unwed mother and when she was

34:28 16 34:29

I did not know this she was an alcoholic

34:31

she sold him what are the options I'm

34:34

giving you a crack I'm giving you a beer

34:35

I'm giving you a new car what did you

34:37

sell them for more gonna give you a new

34:39

I'm gonna I'm gonna guess beer yeah yeah

34:43

if I was sold for beer by my 16 year old

34:46

mother I would hate women too I just

34:48

hate to say it at the same time if I

34:50

were to have a some sort of emergency

34:52

kid I'd do the same exact thing

34:54

emergency kid you know you just

34:56

accidentally end up with the child and I

35:00

love beer and I'm just sort of awkward

35:02

with kids

35:03

let me ask let me ask you this a a case

35:06

of Coors Light or a six-pack of dogfish

35:11

Head IPA case of case movie or a baby

35:15

we're not animal I want more beer for it

35:17

it would be hilarious if she was like Oh

35:19

for old English's the 40 ounces 44

35:25

ounces is it by the one okay see this I

35:29

feel like he is a victim of the system

35:31

they returned him to his mother

35:33

oh really yeah and and then she sent him

35:37

to boarding school which I how the

35:40

sixteen-year-old afford boarding school

35:42

well I would assume she was older at

35:43

this point you know it also bounced from

35:46

from boarders who loved boarding school

35:48

and eventually to jail immediately

35:50

I read helter skelter not too long ago

35:52

like talking about his life and it he

35:57

was a always a bad seed you know they

36:00

were talking about he was ultra

36:01

manipulative right like everywhere you

36:03

go not a single word ever

36:05

not a single true word ever came out of

36:08

his mouth right yes one of those guys I

36:10

mean that's the only way to get a woman

36:12

though to be quite frank especially in

36:14

his mind he's ugly yeah it makes a tiny

36:17

man and

36:18

women that he had killed for him I don't

36:20

whatever did squeaky prom was pretty hot

36:23

the only one though yeah the other ones

36:26

were pretty gross yeah you know a

36:29

woman's a woman and yeah when you're

36:31

when you're Charlie Manson it's just

36:33

cool to have your penis inside of

36:34

something other than your own hands

36:36

woman was the hottest one yes that was

36:39

his whole thing was to start a race war

36:41

that's like what he thought that they

36:43

was do yeah I mean going back to the

36:45

comic Aaron tape because they killed

36:48

Sharon Tate the idea was to write these

36:50

sort of incinerated when they wrote Pig

36:52

and helter skelter on the wall and that

36:54

was felt wrong by the way yeah and that

36:57

he Charles Manson just believed that the

37:00

police would see these heinous crimes

37:01

and blame black people right because I

37:05

mean he's also not smart specific that

37:08

was hunting but he's not like actually

37:11

smart he's a liar yeah I think yet going

37:14

back to what we were talking about

37:15

earlier with having a common enemy huh

37:17

yeah you know that was like that was

37:19

that the the busted engine actors home

37:21

who is you know the the the

37:23

quintessential has it all beautiful with

37:25

child married to a director makes great

37:28

may I am Polanski was a fucking amazing

37:30

direct it makes a big news line and

37:32

sinker and they totally went for it yeah

37:35

and the race thing that's right I mean

37:36

that was so perfect for the people that

37:38

he was talking to it was a white and

37:39

Power Man speech and you know just as

37:41

Black Panthers or you know whatever

37:43

Mexican love group there is it's a it's

37:47

a Mexican love they love Mexicans I mean

37:52

age is very there I just feel bad cuz

37:55

they're never going to enjoy a pierogi

37:56

parole they're just so good and they

37:59

just don't boil things and they don't do

38:01

it right we Charles Manson's whole story

38:04

though is just such an interesting thing

38:07

especially the time period happened it's

38:09

like such an anti to love movement like

38:11

especially with everything else that was

38:12

going on in California at the time

38:14

honestly I think he makes more sense

38:16

than the hippie movement to some degree

38:18

be the sort of primal hate does what he

38:22

is felt I guess maybe was indicative of

38:25

how other like the majority of people

38:27

felt well I don't

38:28

was having a great time mo you know I

38:30

think they've got all these hippie

38:31

images of everyone having a good time

38:33

tripping on the balls with the acid and

38:35

everything and they were just like yeah

38:37

I'm working in a construction job and I

38:38

hate my fucking life and I hate my fat

38:40

wife and I hate these kids this American

38:42

Dream is a nightmare yeah bring on the

38:43

race war definitely just an intense

38:47

thing to want speaking of white horse

38:49

that's where he so he went to jail for

38:51

the first time after committing some

38:52

robberies and one month before his

38:55

parole hearing he raped a boy

38:57

ah by holding a razor to his throat so

39:00

perhaps he was worse than I gave him

39:02

credit for in the beginning and they

39:04

just they released him two years later I

39:06

feel like you got to realize this guy

39:08

isn't necessarily the best person they

39:09

just bounced him from place to place

39:11

because nobody wanted him well yeah the

39:13

prison should have wanted him that's the

39:15

problem

39:15

and then Manson went to pimp young girls

39:18

and that's where he started he started

39:20

with these most of these girls were

39:22

prostitutes evidently and yeah he just

39:25

went on from there who was a pimp for a

39:26

while well last week he gave his first

39:28

interview in 20 years right and I will

39:31

so I just want to say this he had 18

39:32

women living with him really 18 and

39:35

Charles Manson not one man in the house

39:37

I thought that was a dude it was like

39:40

one there's a deal of guys you know

39:42

they're couple of guys you did all the

39:43

heavy where there was a couple of

39:45

meathead her name yet she had slaves

39:47

yeah oh okay they weren't slaves though

39:50

there was the other thing too was just

39:52

it was again it's another echo chamber

39:54

scenario where instead of serving God so

39:57

much it was this weird sort of social

39:59

Owen this is great they lived on this

40:01

guy George spawns ranch and in Oregon at

40:04

free rent

40:05

he just had Lynette Fromme her name was

40:07

fuck him ya know he was this like 80

40:10

year old blind man who like lived in

40:13

this thing and she would just go kind of

40:15

like suck his dick I didn't know what

40:16

yeah Wow

40:17

yeah he was just it was that was they

40:19

saying like you know they would do

40:21

anything and they were all the bunch of

40:23

Hells Angels used to hang out with him

40:24

too simply because like Charlie would

40:26

like give them drugs and then like make

40:29

all the girls sleep with the Hells

40:31

Angels and that one of the Hells Angels

40:33

kind of join up with him for a little

40:35

while and just kind of thought it was

40:37

all just sort of that he was just a kind

40:40

of a kooky guy and all these girls are

40:41

just

40:42

sort of here to kind of for free sex

40:44

sure all the time and then realized over

40:46

time that was very very sinister yeah

40:47

because we start talking about another

40:48

dude that they had murdered that didn't

40:51

up happening oh my goodness and he uses

40:53

Martin Luther King as evidence of the

40:54

race war coming very interesting stuff

40:57

there all right well good guy I guess we

41:00

got to wrap it up there I think it's

41:02

been fuckin awesome has been as all mean

41:04

about these cults and in the worlds of

41:05

Charles Manson now is the time for

41:08

helter skelter no added murder this has

41:11

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41:13

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