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- what right one FBI you must admit that I
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- am the Lord and Savior and it's like
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- well um we are just not gonna do that
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- mr. Koretz well then they're gonna hate
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- number two you must have missed I admit
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- I am the Lord
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- I you we're gonna pass on number two to
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- come on a good but good public speaker
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- you're pretty good recording the last
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- podcast on the left the spookiest
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- podcast you're ever going to jack off to
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- do you jack off for this if you do shut
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- it off I shut it off right now so get
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- off to this stutter drop in five minutes
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- as soon as you finish we don't want to
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- disappointed young jizz in our heads
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- true that's true I'll just pause the
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- podcast and jerk off to your own
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- selected material I am Ben Kissel Henry
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- Zebrowski Marcus Parks and this is truly
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- the sickest podcast around today our
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- main focus is going to be on the
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- fascinating world of cults and all they
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- have brought to our society that's the
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- things the only thing about cults I
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- would never be in one because I hate
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- wearing uniforms well there are some
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- more freedom cults I'm not sure if the
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- if the Waco Texas people weren't
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- necessarily forced to wear uniforms and
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- then it was more of a laid-back cult
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- casual if you will a button-down shirt
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- you tuck it in and then amorous of
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- course it was always palm tree Fridays
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- yeah you got to wear your palm tree
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- shirts was not a he had the long hair no
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- no Barry cash I know we're talking about
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- you it's like he and see the thing I was
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- I was reading about it and so he's part
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- of a thing call the Branch Davidians
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- right well I mean he is the Davidian he
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- is the guy who was like supposed to be
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- sort of reincarnated Jesus type and you
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- they have to verify it did you read the
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- thing about how we got to be in charge
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- of the bridge davidians no tell me about
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- him and another forgot the name of the
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- his competing guy another one of his
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- it's like a cousin of his we're fighting
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- for it and they dug up graves they took
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- up the grave of the former runner of
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- Branch Davidian and had a resurrect
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- where they tried to both try to raise
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- him from the dead
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- I don't think happened but somehow they
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- chose right when just his cousin behind
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- the dude waving his arm behind I see him
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- I see it and then David goes and he's
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- far better puppeteering like fishing
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- wire to I mean walking obviously he
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- could have been a very skilled Jeff
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- Dunham type absolutely I mean imagine
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- Jeff Dunham is actually a very similar
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- in personality right David Koresh I
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- would assume so this is interesting as
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- we all remember back in 1993 we were
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- young pups but the Waco Texas raid was
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- conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol
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- Tobacco and Firearms yeah it wasn't even
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- the FBI I always thought it was the FBI
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- the ATF didn't they do that too because
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- it was because they tried to traffic in
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- old like the ak-47s and stuff like that
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- and basically they got them on arm that
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- was the charge because I guess you
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- really can't charge somebody for the
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- religious beliefs right you're now a
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- fine ages but there's no like cuckoo
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- laws well they're law you broke the law
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- being cuckoo today and so you're going
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- to jail no wonder wacky taffy land where
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- all you get to eat is Cheerios and
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- string cheese let's go there well their
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- justification for for actually invading
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- the place was the children it was like
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- there were children being molested in
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- there which they weren't well David
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- Koresh set up the thing to where he was
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- the only he dissolves all the marriages
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- everyone was involved anyone who brought
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- in like significant other and all the
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- women he was the only one allowed to
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- have sex with that see I was just gonna
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- say I don't know what would drive people
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- to a cult until right now if I'm married
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- to a robust robust oh when she
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- constantly shopping Piggly Wiggly in the
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- wrong hands and whatnot
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- me especially my wife she should I said
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- all of a sudden this david koresh
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- characters like hey come on over I'll
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- bang her for ya I'll bang on you're no
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- longer Mary - I thank God it would be
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- amazing so I assume you've probably got
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- a couple of guys in there just like take
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- my wife please please take my wife and
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- they loved Henny Youngman the coverage
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- of the of the actual raid on the camp on
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- the compound was that was one of the
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- most terrifying things I ever saw as a
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- child because it was a lie was we were
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- watching live footage you know Texas see
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- I found it exhilarating yeah I did I did
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- but I didn't tell I saw a woman on fire
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- one out of the building
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- right on I saw that happen live never
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- lie I was like we were all like what ten
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- whenever that happened something like
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- that it was horrified it was horrifying
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- but I couldn't look away and I didn't
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- have nightmares or anything it's
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- honestly it's a cherished childhood
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- memory for me that is just quite
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- attached I lose anyway can you imagine
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- like just being with a girlfriend or
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- being with someone who instead of like
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- letting you break up with them would
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- rather set you both on fire you know
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- that's real love that's real attachment
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- I mean it's definitely real attachment I
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- don't know if it's real love yeah
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- according to the old wiki here so six
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- people died in injury in these raids and
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- evidently was a 51-day standoff yeah it
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- was long it was a long is it that that
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- sounds like worse than Jimmy Carter's
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- eye Ron Hosko Jasin 51 days going to the
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- house
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- imagine like having to like negotiate
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- with David Koresh for 51 days I was
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- talking to the craziest dude in the face
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- of the planet
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- one FBI you must admit that I am the
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- Lord and Savior and it's like well we
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- are just not gonna do that mr. correct
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- well then they're gonna hate number two
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- you must have missed I admit I'm the
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- Lord
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- I you we're gonna pass on number two -
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- but good public speaker
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- you're pretty good but you're pretty
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- good yeah yes the US government has
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- recognized me that would be that is
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- incredible I really wonder what went
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- through these people's heads for 51 days
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- how was he able to convince them that he
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- was still right
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- I guess it's the same thing as I mean I
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- grew up very evangelical Christian which
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- frankly makes this Koresh call to look
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- like a goddamn you know kindergarten
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- yeah you know dodgeball game no one
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- really gets hurt
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- as opposed to where the way I grew up
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- it's bizarre to think and I think what
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- helps is having like the FBI out there
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- and all these people out there so we can
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- be like look at them they're attacking
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- us and the FBI was not coy they were
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- like let's bring some tanks some
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- helicopters oh yeah
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- make a blame like we're friends you know
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- ya know that's what you do is you kind
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- of set it up it's like it's like
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- anything where you can set up a we're
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- the underdog we're the we're the
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- persecuted ones and now we have the
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- evidence for it that we have to be right
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- or would they like be trying to shut us
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- down so hard if we were the only ones
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- who had the key to salvation and it's
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- just pretty just generally insane I must
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- clarify here on February 28th that was
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- when the ATF went in and had their rate
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- of killing six but the actual FBI raid
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- which happened a little bit later killed
07:12 79 Branch Davidian I did not know it was 07:16
- that high yeah 79 21 of hue of whom were
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- children and I remember when this came
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- out you know they had kids with guns too
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- can you imagine being an FBI officer
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- going through their full SWAT SWAT gear
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- going through the house nine-year-old
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- girl with an ak-47 comes around the
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- corner fucking shoots you in the leg
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- welcome to Nam I mean that isn't yeah I
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- mean if you're looking at a child with a
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- gun that's even more scary than looking
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- at an older man because an older man has
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- has some bearing of reality yeah has
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- some sort of self-interest to stay alive
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- this nine-year-old girl has no concept
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- of life or death all she knows it's
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- David Koresh and she's a nine so she's
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- gonna be what do you call that
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- prepubescent not prepubescent but when
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- you're acceptable to VHD yeah with the
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- trigger
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- impulsive you know you think it's a
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- friggin video game I thought it would be
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- going out like boy talk about four-eyed
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- it's sort of dark up like a mindset as a
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- child and I probably would have killed
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- someone much easier as a child I Oh
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- totally you start killing somebody at
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- nine years old
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- as well if you're in these branch
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- davidians I mean there's no use of your
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- you rewarded for it it's like when a dog
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- takes a shit on the street and you're
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- like good boy but when I do it God knows
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- everyone's up in arms and being a child
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- too and you just like you have all these
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- adults also telling you that the leader
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- the guy who's fucking mommy all the time
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- is also God
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- so you just I imagine that it's pretty
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- hard to question well what you were
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- talking about earlier as far as like how
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- do you keep people going for all that
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- time there a ton of videos that he the
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- David Koresh recorded Darren that siege
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- and you can see completely it's exactly
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- like it's the persecuted minority it's
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- like you have to keep you know going on
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- this whole time because you know we're
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- right and they are you know they're like
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- the that the Egyptians against the Jews
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- all that type of stuff yeah I mean a
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- common enemy is the reason that we won
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- world war two both US and Russia who
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- hated each other and then went on for a
09:21 50-year cold war only United because 09:24
- they're like well I hate that guy you
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- were perfect for that if you really want
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- to get everyone banded up together you
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- just have to have like so what you want
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- to be honorable just wear good luck you
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- have the snappy costumes but you have
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- the Nazis ad right you know very just
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- together ceremonies and have things
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- called blitzkrieg yeah absolutely you
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- know we were talking about last week
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- you're asking me about you know just
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- Texas have serial killers no but we have
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- cults out the ass all today I just went
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- back to Wisconsin this weekend which
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- where I'm from but I haven't been there
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- in five years and it was just so fun to
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- see all this this room to grow and I
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- mean that's why you know everyone's a
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- bit larger and and bosoms grow like
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- pineapples and you can totally see with
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- the isolation out there imagine
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- pineapple breasts I was like it would be
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- rough food would be rough to suckle yeah
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- I mean it would be the best cock
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- fuckable no no you cut your penis
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- yeah cut your penis you ever get a
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- little cut on your penis well you know
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- not it's pretty good not koresh to blow
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- one cock blood to your perhaps a time or
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- two but you go to these small places
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- it's so isolated the notion of somebody
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- come into town with an idea that is like
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- progressive and new to these people is
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- totally reasonable because you know
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- frankly the people have ideas but no one
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- is there to challenge them because
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- nobody's there around yeah so when one
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- voice comes in and he says mildly
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- reasonable things and you know to some
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- degree he's like you know once again
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- you're in a bad marriage come to me
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- you're a bad childhood come to me
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- because it takes all the effort under
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- your hands to change your life what you
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- have is like yeah you know like yeah to
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- give you guidance in your life when it's
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- hard I also like antennas and also never
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- perfect not only guidance friendship
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- community a reason a purpose exactly
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- they all did in Texas too it's perfect
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- because there's so much space it's so
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- easy to isolate yourself well the last
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- call that was big in it was in Texas it
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- was outside of San Angelo just not too
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- far away from where I grew up it was
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- that polygamist cult that they had they
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- had a compound they were like they were
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- very we're talking to Warren Jeffs here
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- are we yeah talk about not Warren Jeffs
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- that like this is a it was a not a
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- polygamist it was more like pedophilia
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- type thing like an amble attack on Robyn
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- of molestation for children Ambler
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- comedy show go pedophiles look at those
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- sweet flat kids no pussy hair pulls in
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- candy everywhere like just candy leaving
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- into the theater I would join his cult
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- in a heartbeat I'm the leader of it you
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- know I grew up with one an hour away
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- that was in Abilene and it was called
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- the house of yahweh and it's still
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- around like still around to this day and
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- they had a they had a compound they
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- didn't really go out it seems like it's
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- based in christianity it's based in
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- christian but so as the Branch Davidians
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- will don't based on like that they were
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- based on Christianity as well yeah but
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- crackpot Christianity and it all just it
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- sounds like sci-fi Christianity where
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- they kind of talk about like Jesus is
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- sort of like mystical warlord and they
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- think he's gonna come back and it's all
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- they anything about a religion that I
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- that I can't stand which is like the
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- idea that there's like specific numbers
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- you're talking about Branch Davidians
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- that Jesus is gonna come back he's gonna
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- choose 1,000 to save and they're gonna
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- go with him and live in heaven where
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- they can all fuck other people yeah and
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- that they can then come but then they'll
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- come back and take over the earth the
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- thousand of them just like living
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- together what I mean Heaven's Gate is
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- one of the most ridiculous ones yeah
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- Heaven's Gate and I want I want to call
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- Heaven's Gate out for stealing the Green
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- Bay Packers logo take a look if you get
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- a chance Google Heaven's Gate this man
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- is obviously not the most creative way
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- to graphic designer who who did that
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- they must have had at least one or two
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- just so can you imagine the graphic
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- designers like going up to Marshall
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- Applewhite look is this good oh you guys
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- got like those like clear green glasses
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- on like lives off the Bedford stop like
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- walking on is like MacBook Pro just like
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- just to all hipster but then puts on the
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- Nikes and drinks the poison so put up
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- their dicks to write it castrated
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- themselves make the G more like that the
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- Packers logo buy a chance yeah they can
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- stirred yeah yeah took place in
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- California in 1997 March 23rd 21 women
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- and 18 men volunteer volunteer Lee
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- committed suicide in three different
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- groups in three successive days yeah
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- which i think is interesting you would
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- think after you see the first group
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- killed themselves and not turn to aliens
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- and not come back and be your body and
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- just have terrible Nike shoes on yeah
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- you would think you might reconsider I
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- love the fact that it was so
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- specifically Nikes - I think that was
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- just so and you will my fake that I was
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- just about to say my favorite SNL
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- commercial parody is that they're
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- showing the final seems like everybody
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- dead and there
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- with Nike shoes on they're playing
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- revolution by the Beatles and then at
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- the end of it it just says kids so yeah
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- it was what's the name of the leader of
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- this Heaven's Gate Marshall Applewhite
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- Marshall Applewhite which is another
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- choice you like mari it's hard to t like
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- specifically create a good cult name
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- like like cult leader name but that is a
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- really good one
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- oh yeah any David Koresh is a good one
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- like Jim Jones good just sort of like
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- anonymous sounding Evan Jellicle name
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- the the new Jesus and we were talking
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- about religion earlier and this is also
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- I see now this is actually kind of a
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- revelation to me because I thought these
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- ideas were actually sort of more you
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- know out of the random ether but
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- Heaven's Gate is also based on
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- Christianity but they add this
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- unbelievable or unusual belief of UFOs
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- that hale-bopp is gonna show up and pick
15:52
- them all up and take them to the
15:54
- promised land which is it isn't every
15:57
- single human being terrified of being
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- abducted by UFOs not if you see it it's
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- a beautiful wondrous thing and again
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- it's all tied to sex and like hedonism
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- it's like this thing that all sort of
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- religions do of just like you have to be
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- chaste especially Christian religions
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- you to be chaste and sort of watch what
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- you do in this life so the next life all
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- you can do is bone each other run climb
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- the next life all you can do is do all
16:21
- the things you wanted to do on earth
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- yeah but you thought it was somehow
16:24
- wrong but when you're in the Lord's
16:25
- house he's just like fuck away like do
16:27
- it do it yeah I'm starin at you but it's
16:30
- fine that's why have you do it up here
16:32
- it's just so I could look at you do it
16:35
- my shit Wow come on come on ezel talks
16:39
- about himself that's all the cloud god
16:41
- oh god oh god blo God God God Oh got
16:43
- your little self centered well he's
16:46
- three people in one oh that you know God
16:48
- is Jesus and the Holy stories got his
16:50
- mouth filled up and his assholes doing
16:52
- but absolutely that's true about the
16:55
- religion that's the fun to talk about
16:58
- yeah uses similar terminology as well
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- you know he has a quote here he always
17:02
- said that the soul is you know of course
17:05
- a temporary thing
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- no the soul lives on forever in the
17:08
- bodies of temporary containers of the
17:10
- soul you know which is which is you know
17:12
- I growing up religious the body is your
17:14
- vessel all of that sort of stuff so it
17:17
- really is just an extension on things
17:19
- that people have already heard but up to
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- this point no I you know heaven's gate
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- pastor had been caught molesting boys
17:28
- now you know there was like no there
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- were no children involved in heaven okay
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- no I don't think so
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- it was all old retard 26 272 that was
17:38
- the age range so fucking stupid I just
17:40
- don't understand how I guess you know I
17:43
- just would never do it I just would not
17:45
- believe him I would not believe now
17:47
- maple what was it Marshall Applewhite I
17:50
- would not believe him for a second I'd
17:51
- be like get away oh my god they all died
17:54
- wearing armbands reading Heaven's Gate
17:58
- away team there's Star Trek nerds is
18:05
- that Star Trek nerd thing there's a
18:07
- documentary out called the Phoenix
18:09
- lights that is it's another topic that
18:11
- will eventually probably broach which is
18:13
- UFOs but there was a series of sightings
18:16
- over Phoenix that happened during this
18:19
- time they were like talking about how
18:21
- that it was kind of connected to Hale
18:22
- Bopp because there was this whole thing
18:25
- this was all held Bob time as well in
18:27
- Oldenburg um yeah and like people they
18:29
- just thought that aliens knew that
18:31
- people were waiting the coming of Hale
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- Bopp and so we'll do a mass presentation
18:36
- of our like existence while people
18:39
- already would be looking at the sky so
18:41
- you know they had conversations being
18:43
- like oh my god those people out there
18:45
- are so stupid they don't even believe
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- the aliens are coming towards typically
18:51
- in Uranus human beings it's funny
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- because doesn't the existence of aliens
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- actually disprove every religion this is
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- really I don't know maybe I would know
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- we're no longer the golden people that
19:07
- everybody thought that we were supposed
19:09
- to be I think what really disproves
19:10
- religion is just the whole thing about
19:13
- it reason if it's like oh yeah
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- everything that's involved with having
19:18
- to believe that an imaginary man lives
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- in the sky and tells you various things
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- that's true and speaking of religion
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- that was Jonestown we got to talk about
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- Jones down here
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- now add the this day this is 1978 and
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- we're dealing with more than 900 people
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- died now this was also connected they
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- the best part about this one too I guess
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- it kind of runs through a bunch of holes
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- where it's like how much coverage of
19:43
- themselves they get or it's like and
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- especially nowadays you know that you
19:47
- know Koresh would have all of those
19:49
- YouTube videos and Heaven's Gate it
19:52
- would all be a channel on one of these
19:54
- terrible social networking sites and
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- that's the thing they would have been on
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- a youtube and they would have been
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- ridiculed and it would have been over or
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- they've gotten more followers yeah if
20:04
- you want more casual followers you'd
20:06
- have more people who are like doing in
20:07
- their home and then like sleeper cells
20:09
- usually decide to like take action in
20:11
- their own hands right by watching a
20:13
- video on YouTube but then being like oh
20:15
- my goood on a post office take a dump at
20:16
- the post office yeah sure JonBenet and
20:19
- as a matter of fact I think I was just
20:21
- thinking about current um possible cults
20:24
- I think that one fella the Terry Jones
20:26
- the pastor in Florida and the quran's
20:28
- who was just outside of a mosque with a
20:29
- gun no it was shocked to be arrested for
20:32
- it Ronin a goddamn GL someone to arrest
20:35
- him he is he is in jail right now oh
20:38
- good yeah cuz he went to a mosque with a
20:40
- gun but so Jim Jones says we have 900
20:43
- people dead we found I forgot what the
20:45
- source of it was that we found the tapes
20:48
- the ending tape soap in the Jim Jones
20:51
- the end of the whole thing and what what
20:55
- is it technically called the Woodstock
20:57
- no Jim Jones woods Jonestown stop Joan
21:01
- sandstone stuff oh it's just Jonestown
21:02
- jokes what they call this trips yeah
21:04
- I'll pull it up in a sec I'll give it
21:06
- here
21:15
- you
21:25
- you regret that this very day if you
21:28
- don't die you'll regret it if you do no
21:31
- you don't die you'll regret it many
21:34
- people I bathed them I saved them but I
21:38
- made my example I made my confession
21:40
- I made my manifestation and the world
21:43
- was ready not ready for me part that
21:45
- I've a man born out of due season I've
21:47
- been born out of due season just like
21:48
- all we are and the best testimony we can
21:50
- make it believe it damn well but they
21:54
- recorded their final moments so he did
21:57
- it was a mass poisoning where everyone
22:01
- in the entire community poisoned
22:03
- themselves including Jim Jones and like
22:05
- all the children there was like
22:07
- countless children there as well because
22:09
- the super family was I mean nine hundred
22:11
- people that's the small town Let's Get
22:14
- gone
22:15
- let's hit DOM we had nothing we can do
22:20
- we can we can separate ourselves from
22:23
- our own people
22:28
- and some of them and some of them
22:31
- escaped and some of them like left
22:33
- certain times and Jim Jones would kind
22:35
- of like say that they were traitors and
22:36
- we listened to the recording of Jim
22:40
- Jones especially like essentially just
22:42
- like leading the charge into the mass
22:45
- poisoning where he's like trying to keep
22:48
- people in with him and like I'll say was
22:51
- in being distributed
23:01
- you
23:12
- my only the only advice I could ever
23:15
- give to Charlie Sheen if he wants those
23:16
- shows to start going better listen to
23:18
- James Jones control and audience killing
23:21
- themselves some of whom were like I
23:23
- don't know if we should do this and he
23:25
- he gets them for always points that were
23:28
- minutes it is one of the most harrowing
23:30
- intense awful things I've ever listened
23:35
- to I mean we were also all baked out of
23:37
- our friggin gourds that let's do it too
23:38
- and would work I think that made it far
23:40
- more terrifying yeah we all just sat and
23:43
- just listen to it in silence for like 45
23:45
- minutes but there's something about
23:47
- listening to somebody's last words it's
23:50
- a very bizarre thing and it's all super
23:53
- creepy too because you hear like babies
23:56
- crying cut and then it all just stops
23:59
- and then silent is you know a cliche
24:03
- deafening
24:13
- you
25:44
- most people ended up drinking a fruit
25:46
- punch which hey who doesn't like a good
25:48
- fruit punch hey I love kool-aid
25:50
- especially haha this is really just
25:51
- their senior prom
25:52
- now they laced it with the cyanide and
25:54
- the tranquil or I tranquilizers and
25:57
- although also some people injected it
25:59
- into their veins how how bizarre and by
26:02
- the way Jim Jones looks like a bad
26:05
- country singer yeah and he had a
26:07
- terrible Lisp yeah nothing like a very
26:09
- bad speech impediment to you know that
26:12
- seems to be the thing with a lot of
26:13
- these leaders they don't particularly
26:16
- look charming a David Koresh he
26:18
- certainly was
26:18
- he was no you know you know Harry
26:21
- Connick jr. no you know the man was in
26:24
- Wuan the ladies by any measure but the
26:26
- same thing with what we see with serial
26:28
- killers who's kind of know I mean it's a
26:31
- little bit of a serial different of
26:34
- serial killers
26:35
- life is all private like their their
26:37
- insanity is on the inside and they like
26:39
- put it on people but and and the cult
26:43
- leaders are very public and they need
26:44
- people to support them in order to sort
26:46
- of validate their psychosis but it's
26:48
- also strange ya know they gonna leave it
26:50
- all big public forum but it's also it
26:54
- just seems again it's the pavilion of
26:56
- sort of these shiftless losers who the
27:01
- superiority complex or they I mean I
27:04
- think the fact that he has a speech
27:05
- impediment the fact that no one's ever
27:07
- really taken his words seriously is the
27:09
- motivation to overcome yeah I mean
27:12
- there's something I will say as public
27:14
- speakers as we all are obviously we're
27:16
- not afraid of being on stage you the
27:20
- initial motivation to get on stage is
27:22
- never confidence now it's it's sheer
27:26
- fucking misery your life is miserable
27:29
- and you don't know how else to express
27:31
- it because your parents don't listen to
27:32
- you God knows your father's you know too
27:35
- busy working and your mother's too busy
27:37
- telling you about the bread she baked
27:39
- that was terrible
27:41
- you know so and you're just looking for
27:43
- and it's group validation it's sort and
27:46
- then in a cult scenario you just have
27:49
- everybody say it's an echo chamber
27:51
- talking about outside we're talking
27:53
- earlier it's like a you just have
27:55
- everybody agreeing with it so it's but
27:58
- everybody's back at each other up good
28:00
- day in echo chamber two will go back
28:03
- it's like a always they always tend to
28:05
- live together in isolated area so when
28:07
- yeah so one person says something and
28:09
- then there's no validating voice there's
28:11
- I mean nothing but validating voice
28:13
- there's no voice from the outside
28:14
- they're not having these meetings and
28:15
- Starbucks yeah because if they were
28:17
- having them in Starbucks somebody like
28:18
- guys I think God I'm actually a Gideon a
28:25
- Jewish fella here you check out the
28:27
- Koran weird whatever there's no other
28:30
- voice Hammoud salud
28:33
- hey very nice no and that's it but and
28:36
- then take it back into serial killers
28:38
- it's just kind of the same exact that
28:39
- we're there echo chamber it's inside
28:41
- their own fucking brain and they
28:43
- constantly rotating reiterating to
28:46
- themselves and cilia right serial
28:48
- killers I mean I think isolation is the
28:50
- key to keeping a congregation on your
28:52
- side well Jonestown was what an island
28:55
- in the Caribbean this is right yeah
28:57
- Jonestown took place in South America
28:59
- that must've been gorgeous and boy have
29:01
- you seen the video of it of the dead
29:03
- bodies if you look around the net dead
29:04
- bodies and it looks great for the family
29:08
- on vacation like this cruise is just a
29:14
- bust
29:15
- Spanish food we gotta go back to
29:22
- Pennsylvania
29:23
- no wait mom just my mom just got back
29:25
- from a cruise to San Juan and that was
29:27
- her main complaint she was just like we
29:30
- went to San Juan and there was just so
29:32
- many dirty kids there we just had a
29:35
- terrible time and I was like it's a
29:38
- country they live their job to wash up
29:43
- for know they sit and they watched a big
29:45
- boat full of fat American bread exactly
29:47
- I would love to get the perspective of
29:49
- dirty kids be like look how weird and
29:51
- clean and fat how do people live like
29:55
- that very well exactly we really enjoy
29:58
- yourselves
29:59
- yeah it explains in South American oh
30:01
- it's the best country on Earth it took
30:03
- place in South America
30:05
- of course it started in America but they
30:07
- had to relocate and by the way murder
30:08
- fists of the sketch group here in New
30:10
- York they you guys were able to reload
30:12
- relocate 11 people imagine Rico
30:14
- relocating 900 people this is how much
30:18
- big followed him it's a huge email chain
30:22
- yeah it's devastating when are you
30:24
- leaving Tammy I was thinking Monday at
30:26 9:00 Tuesday's better for me I gotta 30:29
- finish up my final two weeks at H&M; bank
30:32
- ok ok ok let's agree to disagree
30:34
- some of us Monday some of us Tuesday the
30:37
- rest on Friday but we're all gonna kill
30:39
- ourselves right yeah definitely ok cool
30:41
- start in California I think that they
30:44
- did start in California yes California
30:46
- is another wonderful hot spot oh yeah
30:50
- and Manson yeah of course yeah we'll
30:52
- definitely talk about Manson next yeah
30:54
- so anyway so he got 900 people out there
30:56
- the South America they ended up killing
30:58
- the congressman of course which is
30:59
- fascinating listen to that footage yeah
31:01
- when he announces that here some people
31:03
- realize they're in over their heads oh
31:05
- yeah that's the other amazing thing when
31:06
- you listen to this footage some people
31:07
- are like oh he was serious I literally
31:09
- just thought this was spiked with vodka
31:11
- but this kool-aid his cyanide yeah some
31:13
- kind of snuck up on them yeah they
31:15
- thought it was a symbolic thing exactly
31:17
- as it should have been probably should
31:19
- have been no reason yeah it would be as
31:22
- if it's the Catholic Church when when
31:23
- you ate the body and blood of Christ you
31:25
- literally ate a small aborted babies
31:27
- body and somebody someone's true blood
31:30
- no one would ever imagine that that
31:32
- would really again that would really
31:33
- sort out the true believer so that's a
31:36
- good point they were probably about 900
31:38
- left in the Catholic Church as well yes
31:40
- speaking of the death tape on iTunes
31:42
- where it comes out court like the name
31:44
- of it is like the Jonestown death tape
31:46
- and the album is the Jonestown death
31:48
- tape but the artist is like Reverend Jim
31:50
- Jones of the people's Tim title
31:56
- is definitely his black album the best
32:00
- news ever made and lastly with this guy
32:04
- I think this is kind of interesting
32:05
- three members of the of the cult that
32:08
- did not go with them they'll ended up
32:10
- living in the capital city of Georgetown
32:11
- they killed themselves after they heard
32:13
- about the mass deaths well of course all
32:15
- their friends are dead I said but I
32:17
- think that's even more that's even more
32:19
- of a testament to how powerful this guy
32:21
- was in these people's lives you know
32:23
- they did not have to kill themselves
32:24
- their leader was literally dead and they
32:26
- still took it upon themselves to do that
32:28
- yeah straight-up just do not get it I
32:30
- just don't it's weird how I have not
32:33
- that even I have a sort of understanding
32:35
- of serial killers but I cannot fathom a
32:40
- cultist members mind I don't know what I
32:42
- can't fathom the cultist members mine
32:44
- but I can definitely fathom the cult
32:45
- leaders my figure as you mentioned
32:48
- earlier Henry the greatest cult leader
32:50
- which in my opinion is better than all
32:52
- of the cult leaders we've currently
32:53
- talked about because he did not kill his
32:55
- own people he had his people kill
32:57
- Charlie Manson Oh Charles Manson man he
33:02
- is just crazy and people I think people
33:07
- wrongly classify him as a serial killer
33:09
- so much I probably killed some people as
33:12
- well yeah he's an actor sighs yeah it's
33:17
- about 5'4 with that you know nice head
33:19
- it was a sore head yeah you almost right
33:21
- bead was before wearing with the Beach
33:23
- Boys right yeah I mean that's the thing
33:25
- so boring but like he knew them and then
33:28
- you know was a part of the whole thing
33:29
- was that he forgot what member of the
33:31
- beach boy like sort of can you imagine
33:34
- first of all having that as just your
33:36
- friend Charles Manson is just hanging
33:38
- around
33:39
- yes trying to make you give his shit
33:42
- record too you're like very powerful
33:46
- record we all know a certain comedian
33:47
- who does very similar but I mean those
33:53
- personality types exist yeah and I think
33:56
- it would be kind of fun to actually hang
33:57
- out with him for a little while until
33:58
- you realize oh you're serious once again
34:00
- with all these cold people are like oh
34:02
- no I was just laughing these like why
34:04
- you laughing at me man yeah
34:06
- you're telling jokes oh great I just
34:09
- remembered I gotta go pick up the
34:11
- chicken at the YMCA down over in Minh
34:15
- ask brain okay well I like your shoes
34:23
- very okay this is interesting he was
34:27
- born to an unwed mother and when she was
34:28 16 34:29
- I did not know this she was an alcoholic
34:31
- she sold him what are the options I'm
34:34
- giving you a crack I'm giving you a beer
34:35
- I'm giving you a new car what did you
34:37
- sell them for more gonna give you a new
34:39
- I'm gonna I'm gonna guess beer yeah yeah
34:43
- if I was sold for beer by my 16 year old
34:46
- mother I would hate women too I just
34:48
- hate to say it at the same time if I
34:50
- were to have a some sort of emergency
34:52
- kid I'd do the same exact thing
34:54
- emergency kid you know you just
34:56
- accidentally end up with the child and I
35:00
- love beer and I'm just sort of awkward
35:02
- with kids
35:03
- let me ask let me ask you this a a case
35:06
- of Coors Light or a six-pack of dogfish
35:11
- Head IPA case of case movie or a baby
35:15
- we're not animal I want more beer for it
35:17
- it would be hilarious if she was like Oh
35:19
- for old English's the 40 ounces 44
35:25
- ounces is it by the one okay see this I
35:29
- feel like he is a victim of the system
35:31
- they returned him to his mother
35:33
- oh really yeah and and then she sent him
35:37
- to boarding school which I how the
35:40
- sixteen-year-old afford boarding school
35:42
- well I would assume she was older at
35:43
- this point you know it also bounced from
35:46
- from boarders who loved boarding school
35:48
- and eventually to jail immediately
35:50
- I read helter skelter not too long ago
35:52
- like talking about his life and it he
35:57
- was a always a bad seed you know they
36:00
- were talking about he was ultra
36:01
- manipulative right like everywhere you
36:03
- go not a single word ever
36:05
- not a single true word ever came out of
36:08
- his mouth right yes one of those guys I
36:10
- mean that's the only way to get a woman
36:12
- though to be quite frank especially in
36:14
- his mind he's ugly yeah it makes a tiny
36:17
- man and
36:18
- women that he had killed for him I don't
36:20
- whatever did squeaky prom was pretty hot
36:23
- the only one though yeah the other ones
36:26
- were pretty gross yeah you know a
36:29
- woman's a woman and yeah when you're
36:31
- when you're Charlie Manson it's just
36:33
- cool to have your penis inside of
36:34
- something other than your own hands
36:36
- woman was the hottest one yes that was
36:39
- his whole thing was to start a race war
36:41
- that's like what he thought that they
36:43
- was do yeah I mean going back to the
36:45
- comic Aaron tape because they killed
36:48
- Sharon Tate the idea was to write these
36:50
- sort of incinerated when they wrote Pig
36:52
- and helter skelter on the wall and that
36:54
- was felt wrong by the way yeah and that
36:57
- he Charles Manson just believed that the
37:00
- police would see these heinous crimes
37:01
- and blame black people right because I
37:05
- mean he's also not smart specific that
37:08
- was hunting but he's not like actually
37:11
- smart he's a liar yeah I think yet going
37:14
- back to what we were talking about
37:15
- earlier with having a common enemy huh
37:17
- yeah you know that was like that was
37:19
- that the the busted engine actors home
37:21
- who is you know the the the
37:23
- quintessential has it all beautiful with
37:25
- child married to a director makes great
37:28
- may I am Polanski was a fucking amazing
37:30
- direct it makes a big news line and
37:32
- sinker and they totally went for it yeah
37:35
- and the race thing that's right I mean
37:36
- that was so perfect for the people that
37:38
- he was talking to it was a white and
37:39
- Power Man speech and you know just as
37:41
- Black Panthers or you know whatever
37:43
- Mexican love group there is it's a it's
37:47
- a Mexican love they love Mexicans I mean
37:52
- age is very there I just feel bad cuz
37:55
- they're never going to enjoy a pierogi
37:56
- parole they're just so good and they
37:59
- just don't boil things and they don't do
38:01
- it right we Charles Manson's whole story
38:04
- though is just such an interesting thing
38:07
- especially the time period happened it's
38:09
- like such an anti to love movement like
38:11
- especially with everything else that was
38:12
- going on in California at the time
38:14
- honestly I think he makes more sense
38:16
- than the hippie movement to some degree
38:18
- be the sort of primal hate does what he
38:22
- is felt I guess maybe was indicative of
38:25
- how other like the majority of people
38:27
- felt well I don't
38:28
- was having a great time mo you know I
38:30
- think they've got all these hippie
38:31
- images of everyone having a good time
38:33
- tripping on the balls with the acid and
38:35
- everything and they were just like yeah
38:37
- I'm working in a construction job and I
38:38
- hate my fucking life and I hate my fat
38:40
- wife and I hate these kids this American
38:42
- Dream is a nightmare yeah bring on the
38:43
- race war definitely just an intense
38:47
- thing to want speaking of white horse
38:49
- that's where he so he went to jail for
38:51
- the first time after committing some
38:52
- robberies and one month before his
38:55
- parole hearing he raped a boy
38:57
- ah by holding a razor to his throat so
39:00
- perhaps he was worse than I gave him
39:02
- credit for in the beginning and they
39:04
- just they released him two years later I
39:06
- feel like you got to realize this guy
39:08
- isn't necessarily the best person they
39:09
- just bounced him from place to place
39:11
- because nobody wanted him well yeah the
39:13
- prison should have wanted him that's the
39:15
- problem
39:15
- and then Manson went to pimp young girls
39:18
- and that's where he started he started
39:20
- with these most of these girls were
39:22
- prostitutes evidently and yeah he just
39:25
- went on from there who was a pimp for a
39:26
- while well last week he gave his first
39:28
- interview in 20 years right and I will
39:31
- so I just want to say this he had 18
39:32
- women living with him really 18 and
39:35
- Charles Manson not one man in the house
39:37
- I thought that was a dude it was like
39:40
- one there's a deal of guys you know
39:42
- they're couple of guys you did all the
39:43
- heavy where there was a couple of
39:45
- meathead her name yet she had slaves
39:47
- yeah oh okay they weren't slaves though
39:50
- there was the other thing too was just
39:52
- it was again it's another echo chamber
39:54
- scenario where instead of serving God so
39:57
- much it was this weird sort of social
39:59
- Owen this is great they lived on this
40:01
- guy George spawns ranch and in Oregon at
40:04
- free rent
40:05
- he just had Lynette Fromme her name was
40:07
- fuck him ya know he was this like 80
40:10
- year old blind man who like lived in
40:13
- this thing and she would just go kind of
40:15
- like suck his dick I didn't know what
40:16
- yeah Wow
40:17
- yeah he was just it was that was they
40:19
- saying like you know they would do
40:21
- anything and they were all the bunch of
40:23
- Hells Angels used to hang out with him
40:24
- too simply because like Charlie would
40:26
- like give them drugs and then like make
40:29
- all the girls sleep with the Hells
40:31
- Angels and that one of the Hells Angels
40:33
- kind of join up with him for a little
40:35
- while and just kind of thought it was
40:37
- all just sort of that he was just a kind
40:40
- of a kooky guy and all these girls are
40:41
- just
40:42
- sort of here to kind of for free sex
40:44
- sure all the time and then realized over
40:46
- time that was very very sinister yeah
40:47
- because we start talking about another
40:48
- dude that they had murdered that didn't
40:51
- up happening oh my goodness and he uses
40:53
- Martin Luther King as evidence of the
40:54
- race war coming very interesting stuff
40:57
- there all right well good guy I guess we
41:00
- got to wrap it up there I think it's
41:02
- been fuckin awesome has been as all mean
41:04
- about these cults and in the worlds of
41:05
- Charles Manson now is the time for
41:08
- helter skelter no added murder this has
41:11
- been the last podcast on the left we'll
41:13
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41:15
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41:19
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